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I like it, but the natives are broken and the Italian crossbowmen need some balance
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Italy if left unchecked is utterly busted, and I love it.
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Some of the natives are really good, I kinda like that on some maps subsidizing nats is strictly the best thing to do.
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EliteRifleman wrote: ↑
26 May 2022, 19:46
I like it, but the natives are broken and the Italian crossbowmen need some balance
Natives seemed merc level during the pre-release but what about pavisiers? They seem ok to me?
ShinkuroYukinari wrote: ↑
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Italy if left unchecked is utterly busted, and I love it.
Curious, what do you think is clearly out of line?
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ShinkuroYukinari wrote: ↑
26 May 2022, 19:53
Italy if left unchecked is utterly busted, and I love it.
not really.. they are not broken and the economy is not very good like japan for example.
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The Vil per tech mechanic has some clear techs to be used with to maximum benefit, and the cheap arsenal techs card is insanely good for semi FF or generally age 3 strats, especially if you're going for an infantry focused strategy.

Also, Italy + Dutch with the House of Nassau card is really scary :)
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All seems cool in theory but in practice most things don't synergize so they're not viable competitively.
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the lombards works slightly differently then i thought, it has a shared resource deposit so really the more you build you dont get more but just faster
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I dont think italy is that great, they have a decent eco but aren't super fast nor do they have great units. Also missing a viable skirm unit in fortress.
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Ye Italy seems mediocre, have to macro a lot just to perform basic builds that don't even have crazy potential.

Malta is more direct and has strats that look more competitive in 1v1. Can do classic 700w 600w 8pike 8bow rush with 40 units at 7.45 and good follow up in terms of unit ups and eco. Also, didn't test, but I imagine you can do classic musk/huss builds with again good units and decent eco scaling.
Malta doesn't have 2 falcs nor skirms so must play around that but I think with map ctrl you just drop defensive buildings and starve the opponent. Also have good merc cards for key moments.
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The historical maps are really fun
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I thought it would be 300 food for 300 wood and coin, but it comes out to be 150+150. Dumb design.
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After playing only Italy for the entire afternoon and evening of release day, I can deduce several remarks
- The initial start of only 5 vils and architect is really tough, and you need to rush market techs to catch up. It helps if you have a Dutch teammate that goes TEAM Nassau first, albeit can have drawbacks.
- Treasures can be really impactful for italy given how you wanna spam out the techs. Double so with Marco polo card, which is imo a must pick in team games with coordination. The bonuses are just mwah!
- Pavisieri are very flexible so long as they're protected from hussars and such. One can easily do a Pike Xbow style comp with Italy to great success
- Basilica mechanic offers some really strong units, unfortunately the "training" conflicts with your normal shipments and is painfully slow. Truly a shame cause Schiavoni are amazing and I would love the opportunity to use them more.
- Italy could really use a 400w ageup option to set up defences quicker in fast games
- Focusing on hunts/herds and using your lombards to convert those into resources can be quite good, but requires time to ramp up and get the lombards online. Unironically, I can see italy going for a herdable focused strat if the map allows for it.
- Bersagliere are solid but their stun mechanic seems to not work a lot of times?
- Age 3 is ironically their weakest point unless you send the Pavisieri cards.
- Age 3 cheap arsenal card is perfect if youre not direly presssured and focusing on infantry, cause the techs become dirt cheap and easy to research for extra vils and military benefit.
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fei123456 wrote: ↑
27 May 2022, 07:57
I thought it would be 300 food for 300 wood and coin, but it comes out to be 150+150. Dumb design.
Not necessarily, keep in mind that food gathers the fastest, and if you invest wood or coin you get 225f 150 other resource. if you focus purely on food you can use Lombards to some extent to make your eco, say if youre massing Musks
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Oh also, There should be a button to automatically refill the Lombards when they get low. Late game they consume so fast that you need to mother them nonstop.
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yeah the lombard micro is real lol, I do have say its pretty good later on in the game, fully loaded its like a factory each
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I never noticed this and dont know when the change happened but the spanish card that increases lancer multi against infantry also affects elmeti(elmeto now) and also the jat lancer i think

lol jat lancer with x 5 against infantry
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I absolutely love this small QoL change I've been asking since DE release: Construction time. Now we need creating and researching times for units and upgrades.


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Am I the only one who noticed that great coats gives 203 hp now instead of 202? Is there any reason for that?
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perma 2% hp each card seems rly good. Honestly, just go bow piki with malta in every age. EEMesque
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it's good
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does anyone think its viable to go german tounge in transition to go for a cav semi as malta? the wood cost is really steep but the hussars shadow tech which sounds really nice
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It's actually one of the strats I tested. It's ok but not great because a) no fast age option and b) you don't have easy access to skirms (have to collect 750w in transition to send 11 cassadores).
I think Malta is just better off playing age2 and maybe do some timing vs the civs that usually semi FF.
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