August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

General forum about Age of Empires 3 DE. Please post strategy threads, recorded games, user-created content and tech support threads in their respective forum.
User avatar
China fei123456
Jaeger
Posts: 3283
Joined: Apr 23, 2015
ESO: fei123456
Location: Alderaan

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by fei123456 »

Stealth change is a nerf to French again. Scout is easily revealed and killed by settlers.
User avatar
Canada dansil92
Retired Contributor
Posts: 2231
Joined: Nov 3, 2018
ESO: dansil92

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by dansil92 »

so i was wrong. they gave mantlets 65rr and 30 siege resist instead. thats more than a 200 ranged hp buff in all ages, and an obvious buff with siege resistance. for 160 res now...

edit: age 3 they immediately have nearly 400 ranged hp more than before. i hate this crap
Image
No Flag helln00
Howdah
Posts: 1410
Joined: Jan 28, 2017
ESO: helln00

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by helln00 »

dansil92 wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 03:44
so i was wrong. they gave mantlets 65rr and 30 siege resist instead. thats more than a 200 ranged hp buff in all ages, and an obvious buff with siege resistance. for 160 res now...

edit: age 3 they immediately have nearly 400 ranged hp more than before. i hate this crap
the card for that is in age 4 though, so I dont see how that is relevant
Turkey Dragut
Crossbow
Posts: 2
Joined: Jun 30, 2021
ESO: Dragutt

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Dragut »

If you want us not to play the lakota, I think you should delete it directly
User avatar
French Southern Territories kevinitalien
Lancer
Posts: 669
Joined: Oct 31, 2015
ESO: KEVINITALIEN
Clan: PLOP

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by kevinitalien »

Garja wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 00:07
kevinitalien wrote: ↑
02 Aug 2022, 22:46
when you buy 300f 300w 300c for 3 papal lancer for exemple
And what does that have to do with the xp penalty?
XP penalty is only for the card progression.
No clue, it's just the reason of that xp penalty, i guess they want us to use the basilica more which will happen less anyways
Image
Image
Image Image
China PG13s
Crossbow
Posts: 14
Joined: May 8, 2021

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by PG13s »

Trash patch, too many changes which ruin the game, no wonder the bye from kaiser
User avatar
Korea South Miyawaki Sakura
Dragoon
Posts: 277
Joined: Jun 29, 2019
ESO: April
Location: Seoul

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Miyawaki Sakura »

Rip azzy
User avatar
Brazil look
Howdah
Posts: 1411
Joined: Jun 4, 2015
ESO: LoOk_tOm
Location: Brasil, UK

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by look »

Tashunke Prowler: Moved to the Industrial Age (from Fortress)

thanks
thats a retard OP unit for fortress.. IMBA
Kaiser sucks
Garja Noob
grunt the best
Kickass God
BSOP OP
Vietnam duckzilla
Jaeger
Posts: 2497
Joined: Jun 26, 2016

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by duckzilla »

Dragut wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 06:02
If you want us not to play the lakota, I think you should delete it directly
I would love if they actually did that.
Whatever is written above: this is no financial advice.

Beati pauperes spiritu.
User avatar
Greece LazarosVas
Dragoon
Posts: 299
Joined: Mar 9, 2021
Clan: GMDS

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

  • Quote

Post by LazarosVas »

PG13s wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 07:37
Trash patch, too many changes which ruin the game, no wonder the bye from kaiser
This is a patch that Kaiser would like actually so you dont know what you are talking about

Huge nerf to stealth (which kaiser strongly dislikes) nerfs to inca/china/Hausa which Kaiser dislikes and thinks are overpowered (Which they are) Lakota justified nerf along with some nice gameplay changes.
Turkey Dragut
Crossbow
Posts: 2
Joined: Jun 30, 2021
ESO: Dragutt

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Dragut »

duckzilla wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 11:41
Dragut wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 06:02
If you want us not to play the lakota, I think you should delete it directly
I would love if they actually did that.
good for noobs
No Flag helln00
Howdah
Posts: 1410
Joined: Jan 28, 2017
ESO: helln00

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by helln00 »

kevinitalien wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 07:26
Garja wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 00:07
kevinitalien wrote: ↑
02 Aug 2022, 22:46
when you buy 300f 300w 300c for 3 papal lancer for exemple
And what does that have to do with the xp penalty?
XP penalty is only for the card progression.
No clue, it's just the reason of that xp penalty, i guess they want us to use the basilica more which will happen less anyways
I think interjection said its due to the basilica xp trickle and the fact you can get 3 of them pretty easily more then the shipments in the basilica - also the lombards xp trickle
User avatar
Italy Garja
Retired Contributor
Donator 02
Posts: 9729
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: Garja

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Garja »

Can you actually get 3 with the card? Isn't it 1+1?
Anyway even with the Basilica card and let's say 4 lombards, it isn't just worth it. It barely repays the shipment while forcing you on a non realistic BO (atleast for 1v1). Maybe in treaty, but I don't think shipment progression is that much of a problem there?
It's just one of those compromise changes that make no sense. Italy just isn't an xp civ.
Image Image Image
No Flag helln00
Howdah
Posts: 1410
Joined: Jan 28, 2017
ESO: helln00

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by helln00 »

Garja wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 14:22
Can you actually get 3 with the card? Isn't it 1+1?
Anyway even with the Basilica card and let's say 4 lombards, it isn't just worth it. It barely repays the shipment while forcing you on a non realistic BO (atleast for 1v1). Maybe in treaty, but I don't think shipment progression is that much of a problem there?
It's just one of those compromise changes that make no sense. Italy just isn't an xp civ.
you get 1 extra with the shipment and another one with the church tech - the church tech is free so it kinda builds on each other
No Flag helln00
Howdah
Posts: 1410
Joined: Jan 28, 2017
ESO: helln00

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by helln00 »

There is also the fact that the architect is kinda a free xp trickle every time a building completes which could leads to some balance trouble with just getting free xp, though tbh i havent noticed, though that might be because the xp penalty is already in place
User avatar
Italy Garja
Retired Contributor
Donator 02
Posts: 9729
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: Garja

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Garja »

The amount of stuff built is about the same as other civs, so there is no xp inflation due to the architect.
Anyway, even if Italy was an xp farm civ (which it clearly isn't) I don't see the point of penalizing it. You don't have a negative compensation for Aztecs or Ottomans.
Image Image Image
User avatar
Canada dansil92
Retired Contributor
Posts: 2231
Joined: Nov 3, 2018
ESO: dansil92

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by dansil92 »

helln00 wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 04:32
dansil92 wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 03:44
so i was wrong. they gave mantlets 65rr and 30 siege resist instead. thats more than a 200 ranged hp buff in all ages, and an obvious buff with siege resistance. for 160 res now...

edit: age 3 they immediately have nearly 400 ranged hp more than before. i hate this crap
the card for that is in age 4 though, so I dont see how that is relevant
i was misinformed twice i guess, i was told the 65rr was a default change, not a card. still could be pretty oppressive if used in conjunction with 7 mantlet infinite. we will see what happens I guess
Image
Switzerland bsound7
Crossbow
Posts: 47
Joined: Oct 3, 2019
ESO: tomdelonge7

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by bsound7 »

Miyawaki Sakura wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 07:51
Rip azzy
Indeed, War chief will be from hero to zero reeeallly quickly.

needs either cover mode or be affected by the healing dance again. cant take away both. gonna suck hard like this. why would you go for hero cards now? seems like they take this option away with this nerf. might aswell delete him completely from the civ now.
Rainbow Land callentournies
Howdah
Posts: 1676
Joined: May 6, 2021
ESO: esuck

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

  • Quote

Post by callentournies »

i dont think a civ should rely on it's chronically resurrected 10,000 hp tank that can also be fast snare and snipe art
If I were a petal
And plucked, or moth, plucked
From flowers or pollen froth
To wither on a young child’s
Display. Fetch
Me a ribbon, they, all dead
Things scream.
User avatar
Italy Garja
Retired Contributor
Donator 02
Posts: 9729
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: Garja

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Garja »

The civ doesn't rely on that. Nubs who play the civ rely on that. And nubs who play against it, find it hard to beat (even tho it is admittedly quite annoying).
The African hero changes are worse anyway.
Image Image Image
User avatar
Serbia ShinkuroYukinari
Dragoon
Posts: 423
Joined: Apr 27, 2019
ESO: ShinkuroYukinari
Clan: BANIN

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by ShinkuroYukinari »

helln00 wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 13:35
kevinitalien wrote: ↑
03 Aug 2022, 07:26
Show hidden quotes
No clue, it's just the reason of that xp penalty, i guess they want us to use the basilica more which will happen less anyways
I think interjection said its due to the basilica xp trickle and the fact you can get 3 of them pretty easily more then the shipments in the basilica - also the lombards xp trickle
Doesn't really matter beyond specific strats. Refer to my guide.
My signature was removed, MOD ABUSE!
User avatar
China fei123456
Jaeger
Posts: 3283
Joined: Apr 23, 2015
ESO: fei123456
Location: Alderaan

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by fei123456 »

So why do French still cannot train native scouts from TC/explorer? Envoy, discipline, eagle scout and Spanish dog can be trained again. I used to set a scout toward enemy base (in front of barrack/stable) to scout his unit combo, but it's impossible now.
Vietnam duckzilla
Jaeger
Posts: 2497
Joined: Jun 26, 2016

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by duckzilla »

Why can't I upgrade my War Wagons into proper Panzers, now that even the Italians got an early carro armato?
Whatever is written above: this is no financial advice.

Beati pauperes spiritu.
User avatar
Italy Garja
Retired Contributor
Donator 02
Posts: 9729
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: Garja

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by Garja »

fei123456 wrote: ↑
04 Aug 2022, 04:25
So why do French still cannot train native scouts from TC/explorer? Envoy, discipline, eagle scout and Spanish dog can be trained again. I used to set a scout toward enemy base (in front of barrack/stable) to scout his unit combo, but it's impossible now.
Because it's not a French exclusive support unit. It's a native unit given to French at the start of the game.
Image Image Image
User avatar
No Flag rukisrecord
Crossbow
Posts: 19
Joined: Mar 19, 2022

Re: August Update – Build # 100.13.16662.0

Post by rukisrecord »

so when are the walls going to be nerfed?
if put up a wall and use a civilization with a strong economy, player will definitely win
must increase costs

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests

Which top 10 players do you wish to see listed?

All-time

Active last two weeks

Active last month

Supremacy

Treaty

Official

ESOC Patch

Treaty Patch

1v1 Elo

2v2 Elo

3v3 Elo

Power Rating

Which streams do you wish to see listed?

Twitch

Age of Empires III

Age of Empires IV