New Tournament?

[Ezad]

Hai dear Esoc people,

since Ive got an insanely amount of 100! gifted subs by @bahocalyps yesterday, I was thinking how i could use that money for the community for its best and I think to host an own tourney in the upcoming (weeks?) to revive the game at the current state. The question is tho what format its gonna be so I wanted firstly to ask YOU which of the following topics are the best to play/watch:

1) Normal 1v1 Tourney; All Civs allowed, competetive maps, bracketsystem

2) Legacy Tourney on DE like Kaisers; ( legacy-tournament ) Only Legacy Civs,Maps, Bracketsystem

3) Hidden Cup II; ( viewtopic.php?f=466&t=21051&hilit=hidden+cup ) Basically a smurf tournament in which only ONE person knows the players real names and manages the matches (Was very fun to watch on legacy), Bracketsystem

4) 2v2 Tourney; All Civs allowed, competetive maps , bracketsystem


If you have more ideas of tourney, please let me know here, but i think these 4 might be the main ones

And All Thanks to You @bahocalyps to let this happen, youre awesome

[Aykin Haraka]

2v2

[animusvox]

Legacy Style Tourney on DE is a dream come true. Whatever this tourney will become, I support it. It's gonna be a nice alternative to what's happening on ladder atm. Thanks Ezad and thanks Bahocalypse.

[AndiAOE]

Thanks Ezad and Bahocalyps for making this happen!
I think all options are good so i am hyped for either!

[kevinitalien]

ye hidden cup is pretty cool tbh

[iNcog]

hidden cup with legacy probs your best tournament

[hoola_amigos]

+1 to hidden cup with legacy civs. Will be my first hidden cup to watch
Also, big shout-out to Baho for the insane subs on strim

[Siger]

anything with legacy civs

[MaxMagous]

This is great

but:
I think flat out taking out all new civs is only going to further take ESOC away from the *actual* game, or at least the direction it has taken "officially". This ain't legacy anymore, it's DE and it's the game we have now. Legacy is legacy, DE is DE. Legacy is still up. Fire up nilla like some still do and play that game instead if you want to play Legacy.

Consider:
- main reasons quicksearch is imbalanced are SPAIN being too easy/good, AZTEC (jpc), OTTO (barbary revolt mainly), BRITS (anyone sane will say it's ever the best all round civ). You could make a case for Italy being too good aswell. Stuff like USA is quickly taken care of as the civ is quite average once you explicitly state that the (bugged) FI is banned.
- we might get a significant balance patch in 2 weeks which could further even up the playing field.

That being said I'm fine with anything comes out of this (not so unbiased) thread

[Le Hussard sur le toit]

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

[iNcog]

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

spicyyyyyyy I like it too!

[Synchro]

I prefer legacy 1v1 to both watch and play. Are there any restrictions on elo to participate?

[iron_turtle]

I would like a 1v1 or hidden cup with all civs allowed, but with proper restrictions and bans on necessary cards, revolts etc.

[Javon]

Legacy or not, this should be decided together with top players in the community, maybe they/you can agree on only certain civ bans or strats, without going completely legacy. Like risotto said, only legacy civs is pretty far removed from the current game, so it brings some incongruity for the viewers and in smaller part for players too. The viewers will watch whatever will seem competitive and somewhat varied. And for those voting legacy in hopes of this bringing kaiser back, I think you are doing so in vain lol.

2v2 tourney could be nice, we haven't had that in a long time afaik.

[Squamiger]

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

yes, like ive said recently we are in 2007-08 territory right now where theres so much unexplored content and the only way to really figure everything out is to have a WCG-like tournament or two that allows all civs with no restrictions. that will force players to learn what is truly OP and how to counter it, and what is just a gimmick that dominates the ladder bc people aren't familiar with it yet. once everything is better understood the game will start to revolve around mechanics again.

[Synchro]

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

yes, like ive said recently we are in 2007-08 territory right now where theres so much unexplored content and the only way to really figure everything out is to have a WCG-like tournament or two that allows all civs with no restrictions. that will force players to learn what is truly OP and how to counter it, and what is just a gimmick that dominates the ladder bc people aren't familiar with it yet. once everything is better understood the game will start to revolve around mechanics again.

If it's op how can you counter it? It seems counterintuitive.

[Squamiger]

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

yes, like ive said recently we are in 2007-08 territory right now where theres so much unexplored content and the only way to really figure everything out is to have a WCG-like tournament or two that allows all civs with no restrictions. that will force players to learn what is truly OP and how to counter it, and what is just a gimmick that dominates the ladder bc people aren't familiar with it yet. once everything is better understood the game will start to revolve around mechanics again.

If it's op how can you counter it? It seems counterintuitive.

mirrors, same thing that happened in WCG, or the occasional upset civ that people underestimated. it would be a process of clarification that this game sorely needs.

[Challenger_Marco]

Legacy with Hidden cup

[Synchro]

Show hidden quotes

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

yes, like ive said recently we are in 2007-08 territory right now where theres so much unexplored content and the only way to really figure everything out is to have a WCG-like tournament or two that allows all civs with no restrictions. that will force players to learn what is truly OP and how to counter it, and what is just a gimmick that dominates the ladder bc people aren't familiar with it yet. once everything is better understood the game will start to revolve around mechanics again.

If it's op how can you counter it? It seems counterintuitive.

mirrors, same thing that happened in WCG, or the occasional upset civ that people underestimated. it would be a process of clarification that this game sorely needs.

Got it, Japanese mirror

[Squamiger]

Show hidden quotes

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

yes, like ive said recently we are in 2007-08 territory right now where theres so much unexplored content and the only way to really figure everything out is to have a WCG-like tournament or two that allows all civs with no restrictions. that will force players to learn what is truly OP and how to counter it, and what is just a gimmick that dominates the ladder bc people aren't familiar with it yet. once everything is better understood the game will start to revolve around mechanics again.

If it's op how can you counter it? It seems counterintuitive.

mirrors, same thing that happened in WCG, or the occasional upset civ that people underestimated. it would be a process of clarification that this game sorely needs.

Got it, Japanese mirror

the thing is, I don't think it would immediately be a series of mirrors the way that WCG was just japan mirrors over and over, because DE has so much varied and underexplored content. Right now I feel like Ethiopia, Hausa, USA, Mexico, Malta, and Italy are all still potentially OP in ways that people haven't figured out yet, and MAYBE even Sweden and Inca still too. Plus there's the fact that civs like Brits, Aztec, China, Russia, Haud, Spain, and even Otto with barbary revolt now would possibly be top civs. Eventually the tourney might become a series of mirrors in later rounds, but I think it's not actually clear what civs the mirrors would consist of just yet. Any of the civs I named above could potentially be things you would want to spam over and over in rounds where there are no civ pick restrictions, depending on what you are experienced with and what you think your opponent will choose. The only way to find out is to let people have the freedom to take a gamble on what is most abusable. That's how the meta would progress.

civ pick restrictions require players to have deep civ pools, which means that if your civ pool is slightly different from your opponents, with all the new stuff you just get gimmicked and surprised every now and then. too many games in recent tourneys come down to one player just not really knowing what to expect and losing because they didn't predict the build order. zero civ restrictions would mean that you couldn't just rely on your opponent only being able to play a gimmick civ once. you'd have to work out and learn the top builds

[hausaenjoyer]

hidden cup with all civs allowed is not easy to set up

family sharing in steam only allows you to use the base game, not dlc. so it's easy to do with the base 16 civs, but not the new ones.

[kevinitalien]

hidden cup with all civs allowed is not easy to set up

family sharing in steam only allows you to use the base game, not dlc

are you sure about that ?

[Synchro]

hidden cup with all civs allowed is not easy to set up

family sharing in steam only allows you to use the base game, not dlc. so it's easy to do with the base 16 civs, but not the new ones.

I wouldn't say that, the opposite is possible.

[Synchro]

Show hidden quotes

All civs, without civ pick rules (you can play any civ you want as many time as you want).

yes, like ive said recently we are in 2007-08 territory right now where theres so much unexplored content and the only way to really figure everything out is to have a WCG-like tournament or two that allows all civs with no restrictions. that will force players to learn what is truly OP and how to counter it, and what is just a gimmick that dominates the ladder bc people aren't familiar with it yet. once everything is better understood the game will start to revolve around mechanics again.

If it's op how can you counter it? It seems counterintuitive.

mirrors, same thing that happened in WCG, or the occasional upset civ that people underestimated. it would be a process of clarification that this game sorely needs.

Got it, Japanese mirror

the thing is, I don't think it would immediately be a series of mirrors the way that WCG was just japan mirrors over and over, because DE has so much varied and underexplored content. Right now I feel like Ethiopia, Hausa, USA, Mexico, Malta, and Italy are all still potentially OP in ways that people haven't figured out yet, and MAYBE even Sweden and Inca still too. Plus there's the fact that civs like Brits, Aztec, China, Russia, Haud, Spain, and even Otto with barbary revolt now would possibly be top civs. Eventually the tourney might become a series of mirrors in later rounds, but I think it's not actually clear what civs the mirrors would consist of just yet. Any of the civs I named above could potentially be things you would want to spam over and over in rounds where there are no civ pick restrictions, depending on what you are experienced with and what you think your opponent will choose. The only way to find out is to let people have the freedom to take a gamble on what is most abusable. That's how the meta would progress.

civ pick restrictions require players to have deep civ pools, which means that if your civ pool is slightly different from your opponents, with all the new stuff you just get gimmicked and surprised every now and then. too many games in recent tourneys come down to one player just not really knowing what to expect and losing because they didn't predict the build order. zero civ restrictions would mean that you couldn't just rely on your opponent only being able to play a gimmick civ once. you'd have to work out and learn the top builds

In order for mirrors to be played, everyone is on par with everything and whoever has the most skills wins. For the rest, if you know the game well, you get on with everything if you don't know the game properly you don't know what to do.

[andrewgs]

- main reasons quicksearch is imbalanced are SPAIN being too easy/good, AZTEC (jpc), OTTO (barbary revolt mainly), BRITS (anyone sane will say it's ever the best all round civ). You could make a case for Italy being too good aswell. Stuff like USA is quickly taken care of as the civ is quite average once you explicitly state that the (bugged) FI is banned.
- we might get a significant balance patch in 2 weeks which could further even up the playing field.

If balance is an issue, give me a list of changes and I'll make a patch.