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Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 17:40
by alistairpeter
Changes to Ottoman units. So from my understanding 36 ranged attack with 3 rof is more dps than the previous 40 with 3.5 rof same with new hussar with faster movement speed, with 25 1 rof vs 30 1.5 rof. The increased rof and fast speed means snaring will be extremely efficient because the animation will constantly refresh and the faster speed gives them a slightly better chance of already being on top of unit, annoying to deal with in colonial. Is my understanding of the rate of fire correct, I divided the damage by rof (36/3 12 vs 40/3.5 11.4).
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 18:28
by Garja
Correct. New abus is still worse than legacy abus (which is a good thing).
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 20:34
by Synchro
The new abus is a finger in the ass.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 20:45
by richard
The Ottoman Hussar damage per seconds got buffed by 25 percent.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 23:51
by Garja
Yes the hussar is a bit broken. Costs basically the same but it's the best euro cav by a margin.
New abus (aka legacy abus) only has extra 5% rr. 36atk rof 3 is still a nerf to the original unit.
The new Azap unit is also bit broken stat wise. Costs like a pike but it's a 2 in 1 unit with more hp, more damage, more resistance and on top of all that a x4 vs ranged cav. I can see old Otto strats using this unit instead of jans (e.g ff) But the more realistic use is like vs Germans after the jan huss rush you add this unit to counter the inevitable WWs.
Also otto now have 5 cav merc cards in ageIII meaning the old otto FF doesn't run out of steam after 4mams and 5 spahi (can continue with either 6stradiots and 6bosniak or just 3spahi). And cav is not as easy to counter with goons now because of that new archer unit.
Overall Otto got massively buffed. It is probably the biggest buff in aoe3 history for a civ.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 02:29
by callentournies
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Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 05:36
by top_cao
Garja wrote: ↑20 Oct 2022, 23:51
Yes the hussar is a bit broken. Costs basically the same but it's the best euro cav by a margin.
New abus (aka legacy abus) only has extra 5% rr. 36atk rof 3 is still a nerf to the original unit.
The new Azap unit is also bit broken stat wise. Costs like a pike but it's a 2 in 1 unit with more hp, more damage, more resistance and on top of all that a x4 vs ranged cav. I can see old Otto strats using this unit instead of jans (e.g ff) But the more realistic use is like vs Germans after the jan huss rush you add this unit to counter the inevitable WWs.
Also otto now have 5 cav merc cards in ageIII meaning the old otto FF doesn't run out of steam after 4mams and 5 spahi (can continue with either 6stradiots and 6bosniak or just 3spahi). And cav is not as easy to counter with goons now because of that new archer unit.
Overall Otto got massively buffed. It is probably the biggest buff in aoe3 history for a civ.
Abus benefits a lot from this patch compared with ESOC patch. 36 3rof 1.75x against heavy inf means 63 attack against heavy inf per 3 seconds(60 in 3.5 seconds before). Even abus' multiplier against cav has been replaced with 0.5x against heavy cav. Abus' multiplier against light cav is 1 now(0.75 before). Whats more, it has a reinforce card what brings 25% hitpoints in age II.
Lower rof means lower waste of fire. They perform better than before.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 07:49
by fei123456
New abus is actually much better than RE ones:
- Ottoman has better eco now
- Abus has 25% armor
- Better upgrade shipments, 25% HP in age 2, 15% HP/attack in age 3, 15% HP/attack in age 4
- No negative multiplier with dragoons now
New hussar and abus (azap against ranged cav) can beat any combo in theory.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 16:43
by Kaiserklein
Lmao good call buffing abus. Now the unit overperforms even more, and against basically everything. Now you one shoot a goon with 6 abus, so clearly they really needed to add a new anti goon unit that deals 64 damage to goons every 3 seconds
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 16:55
by Kaiserklein
I did quick maths, and 2 azaps (160 res in age 2) should barely beat a WW (300 res in age 3), unless they miss shots I guess. Sounds very balanced. Try the same with 2 xbows and you'll see the WW wins with almost 300 hp left haha.
Inb4 "yes because it's an anti goon unit", sure but it also performs great against everything else. It's better than a pike as anticav, way better than an xbow as anti goon, has more range and speed than musks so should be able to kite them, can both shoot at melee inf at range and be able to block it once it connects in melee... It's gonna be a bit sucky against RI but well at least it has 16 range and extra speed so it can at least damage them at range, unlike most other HI.
The only way this unit isn't just broken is if it has a shitty setup animation, but idk haven't seen it.
Anyway, with this stupid unit, abus being buffed a ton, the new hussar which is strictly superior to normal ones (unless it costs more?), and other buffs, otto is gonna be fucking annoying to play against, so you guys have fun in qs haha
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 17:42
by iNcog
I don't even know what civ azaps are from. sounds completely broken
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 19:08
by Garja
Kaiserklein wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 16:55
I did quick maths, and 2 azaps (160 res in age 2) should barely beat a WW (300 res in age 3), unless they miss shots I guess. Sounds very balanced. Try the same with 2 xbows and you'll see the WW wins with almost 300 hp left haha.
Inb4 "yes because it's an anti goon unit", sure but it also performs great against everything else. It's better than a pike as anticav, way better than an xbow as anti goon, has more range and speed than musks so should be able to kite them, can both shoot at melee inf at range and be able to block it once it connects in melee... It's gonna be a bit sucky against RI but well at least it has 16 range and extra speed so it can at least damage them at range, unlike most other HI.
The only way this unit isn't just broken is if it has a shitty setup animation, but idk haven't seen it.
Anyway, with this stupid unit, abus being buffed a ton, the new hussar which is strictly superior to normal ones (unless it costs more?), and other buffs, otto is gonna be fucking annoying to play against, so you guys have fun in qs haha
Otto huss costs 110f 90c so about the same. Feel like most of the changes are intentionally made to make Otto much better. Thing is most of current players aren't even able to fully abuse all these new buffs. Btw abus changes are the less relevant ones. The unit is barely better than RE version and only gets significantly better later in age3 and age4 (which is somewhat ok given the new unit and upgrades other civ have).
Azap (and CA) have a card in age4 to remove the setup animation. Can potentially FI and use that unit instead of jans.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 21:14
by ShinkuroYukinari
Garja wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 19:08
Azap (and CA) have a card in age4 to remove the setup animation. Can potentially FI and use that unit instead of jans.
I just realized something.
Otto fast revolt into Romania has literally broken Cav Archers
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 21:15
by Garja
What about Romania revo?
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 21 Oct 2022, 21:19
by ShinkuroYukinari
Garja wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 21:15
What about Romania revo?
I am wondering if the effect applies to Romanian Cavalry archers too, that have 1 ROF. But I'm not sure judging by the text.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 01:45
by callentournies
they have an obnoxious ranged animation tbf
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 04:37
by alistairpeter
I honestly can’t believe Otto has gotten any buffs at all since DE, always been an annoying civ to play against. The free vills are so much more significant in DE with all the hunts on the map as well
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 19:01
by callentournies
they have 1 ROF XD what a joke. literally 3x faster than a normal cav. faster than urumi.
do devs have their heads up their ass or are theirs brain penis?
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 19:55
by Garja
normal cav has 1.5 rof, still very strong tho
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 19:58
by Scylla-x
The new otto huss just needs it's rate of fire adjusting from 1 to 1.25. Currently they do 20% less damage and fire rate is 50% faster, change it to just 25% faster and they'll be fine.
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 20:22
by callentournies
oh fuq I thought normal cav has 3.0 mb
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 20:23
by callentournies
ROF on snare units is more special than range
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 18:09
by iNcog
callentournies wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 20:22
oh fuq I thought normal cav has 3.0 mb
the old rule of thumb before aoe3: cash grab edition, was 3 ROF for range and 1.5 ROF for melee
now who knows? as you know, longbows used to be 1.5 but with bad set up animation. bad kiting, good in standing fights.. ah, the simple, elegant ways that units were made interesting back then
Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 27 Oct 2022, 07:49
by Hazza54321
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Re: Rate of fire and new ottoman units question
Posted: 27 Oct 2022, 07:50
by Hazza54321
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