Proof that there was no leaking of strats in EPL

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Proof that there was no leaking of strats in EPL

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Context:

So right after I beat breeze in the EPL, Kévin sent me a couple screenshots of him bragging about how he'd 5-0 me so easily in our match. I found those funny and posted them myself on ESOC, which was pretty naive from me, as I didn't see his cheating accusations coming. Now that he's lost that series to me, pretending Kévin leaked strats to help me win the match unfairly is the only way he found to try and deny the loss and make me a bad rap.

It's annoying to even have to bother posting any sort of evidence, because I think anyone who watched the series can see there was no specific counter strats going on, and most people know that I haven't cheated nor had suspicious behaviour ever. But in breeze's chats there are new players, less active players, naive people and so on, who actually believe this nonsense. So there we go, I'll post my chat with Kévin so hopefully most of them stop believing him (I know, I'm probably being naive again). Please no flame, I don't want this thread to get locked (there are flames towards breeze in the evidence, but that was a private chat between Kévin and me).


Evidence:

First, here's a recording of me scrolling my chat with Kévin, just to show that the screenshot below isn't a fake or something:
And now, the said screenshot, so you can see the entirety of the chat more easily:
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And here's the translation of the chat to English (you can check that it's accurate by translating it yourself online, or ask someone who speaks French), with the links to the screenshots:
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Finally, here's me posting the recs in the EPL discord (it's a public discord, so it's easy to check if you want):
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Analysis:

1. You can see that the last rec I posted was saved at 17:45, aka 5:45 PM.
2. My first message on the screenshot above, "damn at least I win the series", was sent at 5:46 PM. So that confirms our chat was after the series.
3. You can clearly see in this chat that when Kévin sends me the first 2 screenshots, it actually reminds me that he's in the same team as breeze ("ah right he's in your team lmao" and the following messages). If Kévin had leaked me strats, how would I not know he's in breeze's team? That shows Kévin didn't leak me anything prior to my series vs breeze.
4. The rest of the messages also show that this chat was just Kévin and me making fun of breeze being ridiculous. There's nothing about strats or anything.


Conclusion:

That's all there is to it. There was no cheating.

These screens are just the result of someone like breeze playing in a team event. That's why he was drafted for only 1200 coins or so, no one really wanted him, he's too annoying. Of course his team "mates" are gonna make fun of him, I mean look at these screenshots Kévin sent me, it's really cringe and ridiculous. Obviously I shouldn't have encouraged Kévin, nor posted the screens, again that was stupid from me. But the point is, there was no cheating and breeze is simply spreading lies.

Sorry for the wall of text, writing this was a pain in the ass. If you want to, feel free to share this thread to anyone who heard I'm a cheater.
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Hello, unbiased third-party investigator here! First off, I would like to say my investigation finds @kevinitalien is not guilty of sharing strats to kaiser from the CMC discord. However, the investigation into how Kaiser won the series 3-2 is still ongoing. Nobody just beats the player of the millennium 3-2. We're not talking about a little ole tournament here, were talking about the guy who broke the grunt record. I'm not sure how Kaiser was able to do it, but the third party investigation remains open at this time. thank you for your time.
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Everyone knew it already except one certain delusional individual (who might just not believe it himself, just need to get the attention somehow, right)
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I've already popped 3 packs of popcorn.
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the most " incroyable " thing is that he never talked about a strat that he could play against kaiser on the CMC chat lol

Anyways it's still my fault, it's me who took the initiative to send him these bait, but I didn't think that breeze would use it to accuse kaiser of cheating and even less to see him throwing lies bigger and bigger every day

But at least it's clear now...
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In case anyone cares here's even more proof that Kaiserklein didn't cheat, from our group chat with time stamps. Everything corroborates what Kaiserklein wrote here: viewtopic.php?p=585990#p585990

Map 1 - Expected Otto mirror

At first we expected Breeze to go Otto mirror on Hokkaido, because that's what he did on water maps against Mitoe and Optimus. I can confirm this further because I helped him practice the day before, and we practiced Otto mirror on Hokkaido. When Breeze first went Ethiopia Kaiser tried to get Germany VS it, but Breeze switched to India so Kaiser went back to Otto VS Ethiopia.

Map 2 - Expected ATP

Pretty straightforward, Kaiser expected ATP on Colorado, he didn't expect a sub 6 min FF with 2 TCs in the middle.

Wasn't much discussion for map 3 but again I had practiced with Kaiser the day before when practicing and I can pretty much confirm what he said in the post I linked. I told him I thought Breeze would go Malta on Karelian Lakes because that's what he did in his previous two series, and Kaiser told me he was expecting Breeze to go Ethiopia.

Map 4 - "Wish I didn't waste france"

Kaiser practiced China VS France on this map, but he wasn't comfortable locking China with opponent to counterpick since it wasn't one of his mains. Obviously if Kaiser knew 100% for sure what Breeze was going to do and had prepared counters, he wouldn't type something like "now i wish i didn't waste france on colorado though".

Map 5 - "i think im just gonna dutch as a comfort pick whatever"

He was thinking that Dutch sucks into Otto but went Dutch anyway as a comfort pick and because he was out of civs. If Kaiser had known about Breeze's civ plans he would've arranged his picks in a way so that he wouldn't have to Dutch VS Otto.

Like Kaiser said the people that need to see this probably won't see this. People that read ESOC posts and have followed ESOC tournaments for a while know that Kaiser would never cheat, and the people who do think Kaiser cheated probably won't look outside Breeze's circlejerk for evidence that he didn't. But on the off chance that one of them makes their way here and there's a chance they might change their minds, I wanted to add more proof.

Bonus screenshot: revnak doesn't even know the definition of "cheating"
Lukas_L99 wrote:
02 Jun 2023, 23:35
Everyone knew it already except one certain delusional individual (who might just not believe it himself, just need to get the attention somehow, right)
Sadly I was watching Breeze's most recent VOD, and there were people in his chat saying they thought Kaiser cheated. It's what made me want to make this post actually.
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Thanks mate I appreciate it. Yeah some people actually believe breeze, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered with this thread, even if it's unlikely they get to read it. He's just a sad guy.
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Idk how you could've beat the GOAT without cheating. Maybe this kevin thing is meant to throw us off the scent and the real leaker was someone else. Time for a proper witch hunt imo
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Proof that @Kaiserklein couldn't stay retired forever, happy to see you back sir!
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You may have cleared your name but you still lost all the time you spent writing up this post and backing it up with facts, timestamps and screenshots. It's insane how it takes x10 the amount of effort to clear up slander and misinformation with the truth. It's innocuous enough given what the stakes are here but imagine if this were about something important like vaccines or global warm- oh shit.
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