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So up to now I would joke on the fact that osteo map hacks, but this time it was incredibly suspect. He's basically patroling near my base expecting something and exactly when the fort wagon pops up he immediately find it with the war chief and even corrects his way points with no LOS to track it (you can see from his pov by clickin on the war chief when he's approaching my TC).

Note that I never did this strat against him. I didn't even have the fort card till recently (ok this might be the case he's actively seeking for it) and the games we played before I wouldn't do this exact strat but rather hakka + grens. In fact I didn't even know myself when to actually send the fort in this build because it's the first time I try it in qs. I simply made up my mind while playing. This time I thought it was good to send it first since he FFed so by this point he must have no units.
It's also funny that he sent the pikes to hunt it, tho he usually send them blindly and it could just be that he's going to raid the torps on the gold mines, which is to be expected.
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You know the state of the gaem, community and most importantly content is disastrous when everybody is trying to spice up their aoe DE experience with maphack accusations
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What do you mean spice up? I legit thought there was a good chance he was map hacking here. His WC movement is super sus and he's known to have been a MHer before
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I mean we already know that there is a possibility of hacking on DE (greatest Player from Florida Loki) it wouldnt be surprising when osteo would also use that Kind of hack but well, we do not have 100% evidences to call him out for that and tbf he sux too much atm to use hacks.
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Rohbrot wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 06:21
I mean we already know that there is a possibility of hacking on DE (greatest Player from Florida Loki) it wouldnt be surprising when osteo would also use that Kind of hack but well, we do not have 100% evidences to call him out for that and tbf he sux too much atm to use hacks.
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Doubt that he maphacks on DE. This rec didn't feel that sus just quickly looking at age 1 + the fort snipe. He just sent units to check mid map mine for torps, found nothing and rallied them towards your base and got lucky with the timing. He usually does very obvious stream snipes however
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Rohbrot wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 06:21
I mean we already know that there is a possibility of hacking on DE (greatest Player from Florida Loki) it wouldnt be surprising when osteo would also use that Kind of hack but well, we do not have 100% evidences to call him out for that and tbf he sux too much atm to use hacks.
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tabben wrote:
23 Feb 2024, 17:24
Doubt that he maphacks on DE. This rec didn't feel that sus just quickly looking at age 1 + the fort snipe. He just sent units to check mid map mine for torps, found nothing and rallied them towards your base and got lucky with the timing. He usually does very obvious stream snipes however
I think you need to have another peek at the War Chief's movement just as the Fort Wagon arrives. It's obvious that it's highly likely he can see Sweden's point-of-view. The chance of three consecutive move-commands in particular being coincidental is tiny.
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Its actually pretty conclusive that hes not maphacking, unless hes intentionally ignoring stuff to make it seem like he isnt or toggling it on and off.
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gibson wrote:
26 Feb 2024, 15:39
Its actually pretty conclusive that hes not maphacking, unless hes intentionally ignoring stuff to make it seem like he isnt or toggling it on and off.
How can you be this sure about him not maphacking?
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mirmydon wrote:
23 Feb 2024, 18:54
Rohbrot wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 06:21
I mean we already know that there is a possibility of hacking on DE (greatest Player from Florida Loki) it wouldnt be surprising when osteo would also use that Kind of hack but well, we do not have 100% evidences to call him out for that and tbf he sux too much atm to use hacks.
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Imagine actually watching the sequence in question (actually carefully looking at it) and coming to the conclusion that Inca is definitively not maphacking. Just wow!
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Rohbrot wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 19:33
gibson wrote:
26 Feb 2024, 15:39
Its actually pretty conclusive that hes not maphacking, unless hes intentionally ignoring stuff to make it seem like he isnt or toggling it on and off.
How can you be this sure about him not maphacking?
I mean you can never really be sure,but if he was maphacking why would he not put his explorer on an intercept course with the fort wagon and bring his pike to way way sooner?
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Rohbrot wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 19:34
mirmydon wrote:
23 Feb 2024, 18:54
Rohbrot wrote:
22 Feb 2024, 06:21
I mean we already know that there is a possibility of hacking on DE (greatest Player from Florida Loki) it wouldnt be surprising when osteo would also use that Kind of hack but well, we do not have 100% evidences to call him out for that and tbf he sux too much atm to use hacks.
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mirmydon wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 04:59
Rohbrot wrote:
27 Feb 2024, 19:34
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Garja wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 18:29
What do you mean spice up?
He thinks you made this whole post to gather clout/attention.
Garja wrote:
21 Feb 2024, 18:29
I legit thought there was a good chance he was map hacking here. His WC movement is super sus and he's known to have been a MHer before
And it makes sense to suspect that. I watched the sequence and it could be that he expected you to send the Fort so early in Fortress Age to gain map control after he spotted it in your deck the first time (you didn't choose this deck in other games you said). On the other hand it could be a map hack. I'm just glad you list the options he had ingame to explain his movement ingame instead of blindly accusing.

It was still a sad game to watch. In the early stages of the game you had like 25 Caroleans while he only had 5 Plumed Spearman. That could have lead to some nice containment from your side.
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You people really should consider actually having a look at the movement (and the vision) of the WC around the time of the wagon arriving.
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We did lol and it literally just doesn't prove anything. The warchief waypoints look weird (but not conclusive) but it's probably just a coincidence at this point. Meanwhile he's not bringing his pikes until several seconds after the wagon is in his LOS. Pikes which btw were just checking coin mines that have no torps, which hints towards him not maphacking. And just zero sign of a maphack throughout the entire game as well. If that rec proves anything, you can probably find a similar one to accuse about anyone of maphacking.

And for the record all I'm saying is this specific rec doesn't show anything. Other than that, I know he MH'ed on nilla, obviously droptricked on TAD, and generally speaking is a serious contender for the title of largest moron to ever have launched this game.
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Rohbrot wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 07:34
mirmydon wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 04:59
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Kaiserklein wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 22:32
We did lol and it literally just doesn't prove anything. The warchief waypoints look weird (but not conclusive) but it's probably just a coincidence at this point. Meanwhile he's not bringing his pikes until several seconds after the wagon is in his LOS. Pikes which btw were just checking coin mines that have no torps, which hints towards him not maphacking. And just zero sign of a maphack throughout the entire game as well. If that rec proves anything, you can probably find a similar one to accuse about anyone of maphacking.

And for the record all I'm saying is this specific rec doesn't show anything. Other than that, I know he MH'ed on nilla, obviously droptricked on TAD, and generally speaking is a serious contender for the title of largest moron to ever have launched this game.
It depends on your idea of "proof". It doesn't prove maphacking beyond a reasonable doubt, but it does prove that it's highly likely.

Noone's saying that he has permanent & total map vision. The guy clearly either didn't know where the fort would go before it arrived, or has learned how to, on a basic level, conceal maphacking from 15 years of experience (note how the fort was never remotely in danger of making it). That's the far likelier explanation.

You'd have to be a dunce to think that it doesn't prove anything. You should know better than this, which is more than can be said for the other people to whom I replied, as well as those of us who liked your post—also Myrmidons.
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Struggling Hedonist wrote:
29 Feb 2024, 11:04
Kaiserklein wrote:
28 Feb 2024, 22:32
We did lol and it literally just doesn't prove anything. The warchief waypoints look weird (but not conclusive) but it's probably just a coincidence at this point. Meanwhile he's not bringing his pikes until several seconds after the wagon is in his LOS. Pikes which btw were just checking coin mines that have no torps, which hints towards him not maphacking. And just zero sign of a maphack throughout the entire game as well. If that rec proves anything, you can probably find a similar one to accuse about anyone of maphacking.

And for the record all I'm saying is this specific rec doesn't show anything. Other than that, I know he MH'ed on nilla, obviously droptricked on TAD, and generally speaking is a serious contender for the title of largest moron to ever have launched this game.
It depends on your idea of "proof". It doesn't prove maphacking beyond a reasonable doubt, but it does prove that it's highly likely.

Noone's saying that he has permanent & total map vision. The guy clearly either didn't know where the fort would go before it arrived, or has learned how to, on a basic level, conceal maphacking from 15 years of experience (note how the fort was never remotely in danger of making it). That's the far likelier explanation.

You'd have to be a dunce to think that it doesn't prove anything. You should know better than this, which is more than can be said for the other people to whom I replied, as well as those of us who liked your post—also Myrmidons.
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Basically in this game there are several ways to know someone cheating. 1) Real evidence such as watching the rec and the map is revealed, a player attacking units in fog of war, vils gathering res at impossible rates, units spawning in etc. 2) Overwhelming circumstantial evidence. A player always goes directly to the best treasures, always has his units in the right position without info, always generally making the right decisions without having info about when to age, what units to make etc. I'm not even sure if one single rec is enough to prove someone is cheating using #2, although it can make you fairly certain. You watch this game and you see the choices he's making make sense based on the info he has, and many don't make sense if he had all map info. Could someone be cheating and not using the info they're gathering, or just using it a small percentage of the time so as not to be suspicious? Sure, but this type of person you are unfortunately not really ever going to be able to catch. Someone who makes the right decision 1/50 times without info can easily attribute it to simple blind luck and it happens almost every single game with people who aren't cheating
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Everything is nice and cool, except you guys keep saying that blind luck or such "happens almost every single game with people who aren't cheating" which is simply not the case. I can't name one person that consistently finds every single villager exactly when they're moved to the next hunt or mine and I've played the game since forever. Actually one person comes to mind and guess what, he also MHed at one point. Surely you can have a playstyle that completely revolves around raiding opponent's eco but maybe that's exactly because you have some sort of extra vision.
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