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Chinese immigrant vs ATP

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ATP boom used to be efficient in RE/EP, but it now becomes unavailable in most games. However USA has a Chinese immigrant which overwhelms ATP ten times:

ATP:
130 wood each
3000 HP and 25 attack
needs explorer to be alive

Chinese immigrant:
free TPs, just wait a few moments
3500 HP
don't need hero, build themselves

Is it fair? You just pay a shipment and gets free TP boom, and TPs are more tanky. It can easily work together with Scottish highlanders and native treaty, and you can also just play normal builds with constant shipments. Your opponent takes a lot of time to deal with those shits, and you lost nothing at all.
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Re: Chinese immigrant vs ATP

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No it's not fair. It should not provide a starting TP or the card should cost atleast 150w. Alternatively, each travois could cost like 100w. Afterall spanish pikes also cost resource to be called.
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Re: Chinese immigrant vs ATP

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Garja wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 08:17
No it's not fair. It should not provide a starting TP or the card should cost atleast 100w. Alternatively, each travois could cost like 100w. Afterall spanish pikes also cost resource to be called.
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it's a great card but the only atp civs were spain and port, which used the xp curve to send it after 3v or they don't have 3v. Since USA has 3 cdb (for 250w), it has to at least make that concession. However with capitalism existing it isn't much of an issue if at all tbh. The other concession is you aren't using your levy on mm which are pretty insane units but you can spend those 300 res on other insane units so another nbd but it is important to mention.
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Its good, better than atp, but you arent exactly providing a fair and unbiased comparison
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It makes the 3 trading post wagon card for native civs look so weak
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gibson wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 16:42
Its good, better than atp, but you arent exactly providing a fair and unbiased comparison
I think it's quite enough. With Chinese immigrant you AT LEAST got 2 free TPs which are as tanky as Dutch bank. Even if your opponent train pikes immediately and burn them (still take time), and you just let it go, still you have lost nothing. You've got enough XPs from them, getting one more shipment, and go fortress safely when he's dealing with those 3500 HP shits.

That is, sending Chinese immigrant is a no-brainer choice: you may get huge benefit from this, and you won't lose anything.
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goddamn chinese immigrants am i right. building chinatown everywhere they go
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Re: Chinese immigrant vs ATP

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fei123456 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 07:41
gibson wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 16:42
Its good, better than atp, but you arent exactly providing a fair and unbiased comparison
I think it's quite enough. With Chinese immigrant you AT LEAST got 2 free TPs which are as tanky as Dutch bank. Even if your opponent train pikes immediately and burn them (still take time), and you just let it go, still you have lost nothing. You've got enough XPs from them, getting one more shipment, and go fortress safely when he's dealing with those 3500 HP shits.

That is, sending Chinese immigrant is a no-brainer choice: you may get huge benefit from this, and you won't lose anything.
You do lose a card. In fact a standard USA FF is better than doing that with chinese immigrant on top as the first card.
But it's beyond the point imo. The card is simply too much value. It is 400w from the get go and then 200w for each travois. For comparison "TAD ATP" card is 200w from the get go and then like a 70w reduction for each TP. USA immigrant cards are supposed to be better but at the moment this one is too much value.
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Re: Chinese immigrant vs ATP

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Garja wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 11:35
You do lose a card. In fact a standard USA FF is better than doing that with chinese immigrant on top as the first card.
But it's beyond the point imo. The card is simply too much value. It is 400w from the get go and then 200w for each travois. For comparison "TAD ATP" card is 200w from the get go and then like a 70w reduction for each TP. USA immigrant cards are supposed to be better but at the moment this one is too much value.
It brings you huge advantage in build versatility. If your opponent don't deal with TPs you can go stagecoach boom, highlander, native treaty, or a combination of them; if they train pikes, you just go age 3 and those 3500 TPs will buy you a lot of time. You didn't really lose a shipment cause they already gets several batches of XP.

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