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The double rax carolean build with artillery is probably stronger than the mercenary build but going mercenaries is fun :P
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Cant wait to watch it but will it be better than @knusch ’s portugese guide
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would you advise getting a tradepost at some point as swedes?
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Cometk wrote:would you advise getting a tradepost at some point as swedes?
It's a difficult question and atm I don't think it is good.
If you take a TP in age 1 you age one vill later (which is just bad honestly) and later on you have to skip almost 2 torps to get a TP.
Considering a torp is worth 2 vills that doesn't sound good.

I guess it will get figured out with time but Japan and Brit don't take TPs so why would you when torps are better than shrines and manors?
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now I know how to play swedes but I cant play swedes cause game is not out yet :(
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somp wrote:now I know how to play swedes but I cant play swedes cause game is not out yet :(
I'm sure you'll like the civ. All you need to do is macro and spam musks xD
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Cometk wrote:would you advise getting a tradepost at some point as swedes?
It's a difficult question and atm I don't think it is good.
If you take a TP in age 1 you age one vill later (which is just bad honestly) and later on you have to skip almost 2 torps to get a TP.
Considering a torp is worth 2 vills that doesn't sound good.
Do swedes not get a market?

You had 600 gold and about 10 gold per second of income when 700c arrived, meaning you had about 400-500 more than you needed to age. You could've sold that for the TP if you'd invested in a market earlier, which also would've brought you upgrades. Seems like a good option especially since you had to wait for a shipment when you reached fort, which felt awkward.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Cometk wrote:would you advise getting a tradepost at some point as swedes?
It's a difficult question and atm I don't think it is good.
If you take a TP in age 1 you age one vill later (which is just bad honestly) and later on you have to skip almost 2 torps to get a TP.
Considering a torp is worth 2 vills that doesn't sound good.
Do swedes not get a market?

You had 600 gold and about 10 gold per second of income when 700c arrived, meaning you had about 400-500 more than you needed to age. You could've easily sold that for the TP if you'd invested in a market earlier, which also would've brought you upgrades. This seems like an obvious choice especially since you had to wait for a shipment when you reached fort, which felt very awkward.
1. A market costs 100w (almost a torp) and with 15 vills on wood it is 1.5v meanwhile a torp is 2v so the torp is better imo. Besides, I'm never really going to need a lot of vills on one resource since torps give me food and coin. Even hunting dog isn't really worth it tbh.
2. When going for the merc build I need that extra gold.
If I go for a 5 carolean semi, then I can just send 700w or even skip the shipment and age one vill later.
3. I needed 50 exp for my shipment in age 3. That's 5 wolves. In what world am I not going to kill 5 wolves in age 1?
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
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Do swedes not get a market?

You had 600 gold and about 10 gold per second of income when 700c arrived, meaning you had about 400-500 more than you needed to age. You could've easily sold that for the TP if you'd invested in a market earlier, which also would've brought you upgrades. This seems like an obvious choice especially since you had to wait for a shipment when you reached fort, which felt very awkward.
1. A market costs 100w (almost a torp) and with 15 vills on wood it is 1.5v meanwhile a torp is 2v so the torp is better imo. Besides, I'm never really going to need a lot of vills on one resource since torps give me food and coin. Even hunting dog isn't really worth it tbh.
2. When going for the merc build I need that extra gold.
If I go for a 5 carolean semi, then I can just send 700w or even skip the shipment and age one vill later.
3. I needed 50 exp for my shipment in age 3. That's 5 wolves. In what world am I not going to kill 5 wolves in age 1?
Fair. It depends on how all in your build is I guess. If it's some timing then market ups are unimportant. Also depends on how likely early pressure is. Market might be good just for great coat and for buying wood in case you're stuck in TC for a while and lost buildings, or food to age.
In case of merc strat maybe more shipments isn't important, but otherwise the TP seems like a no-brainer in any FF build. Could simply build it in transition to colonial; Arguably it's worth more than 3.5 vills.
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maybe some basic herding tutorial from our hero may help

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1. A market costs 100w (almost a torp) and with 15 vills on wood it is 1.5v meanwhile a torp is 2v so the torp is better imo. Besides, I'm never really going to need a lot of vills on one resource since torps give me food and coin. Even hunting dog isn't really worth it tbh.
2. When going for the merc build I need that extra gold.
If I go for a 5 carolean semi, then I can just send 700w or even skip the shipment and age one vill later.
3. I needed 50 exp for my shipment in age 3. That's 5 wolves. In what world am I not going to kill 5 wolves in age 1?
Fair. It depends on how all in your build is I guess. If it's some timing then market ups are unimportant. Also depends on how likely early pressure is. Market might be good just for great coat and for buying wood in case you're stuck in TC for a while and lost buildings, or food to age.
In case of merc strat maybe more shipments isn't important, but otherwise the TP seems like a no-brainer in any FF build. Could simply build it in transition to colonial; Arguably it's worth more than 3.5 vills.
Even unnerfed stagecoach isn't worth 3.5 vills honestly.
After all, Dutch and Jap don't take a TP when semi ffing.
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Torps also give a lot of XP when built, 24 iirc, so your xp income as sweden is actually pretty decent without a tp.
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knusch wrote:maybe some basic herding tutorial from our hero may help

Swe herding is the new meta you fool !
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Torp herding is the new meta :p*
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i hope everyone is as outraged about this op japan on steroids as i am.
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Yeah this works a lot like the old Japan did. OP passive eco from houses plus fast op muskets. Thanks for making a cool tutorial video so early on!
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Ye that's exactly old Japan haha. Double carolean spam with 40v eco.
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Torps should only be able to gather one resource, like shrines. Maybe give them the option to gather either coin, or hunt, or the berry bushes that they come with, changeable with a button in the same way that shrines work but individually. Would also give some macro to Swedes because as it stands, its the easiest Civ except for Ottomans maybe :P
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blasdg wrote:Torps should only be able to gather one resource, like shrines. Maybe give them the option to gather either coin, or hunt, or the berry bushes that they come with, changeable with a button in the same way that shrines work but individually. Would also give some macro to Swedes because as it stands, its the easiest Civ except for Ottomans maybe :P
Nah, it is the hardest macro civ atm.
Knush makes fun of me because I can't herd but it's really hard.

In a real game you need to build your torps near your mines while herding toward that mine and killing animals without backherding while scouting and microing. Try it, it's not as easy as you think.
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How about u build The torp on the herd and sweherd down every singel animal? I think thats whats supposed to happen.
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