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Can anyone help me with this MU?

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Go for a botto ff, and right click his TC.

So this is based on RE/EP and i am only about 1. Lt. Captain Level but from my experience you should be able to beat brits with an offensive Tower FF if you execute it well enough, and adding a stable can be decent if your first push did not succeed but you kept them in age 2.

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Go for a botto ff, and right click his TC.

Yeah...This pretty much works..

Maybe the best Brit can do in this case is sit at base and keep making infinite musks...

Btw do you think it would be harder for British to hold Jan Abus instead?

Nah it's not so trivial since EP.
Both jan abus and FF can be held by Brits, Otto has to work for the win now.

Ive had some success with starting with 2 tps (chop 100 wood) and getting stagecoach on 400w along with a rax. Send 700c first and FF(with hus or abus), followed by 700w and 5 jans in transition, and then 2 falcs first card in age 3. Make another 5 jans whilst your falcs are coming and queue vet jan as you push out. Can follow up with 8 jans, 1k coin fora foundry or mams or spahi.

yeah brainless ff dont work. on big stage maps, age 2 jan abus with stage is the way, on sea you can do sea boom, and sometimes i like to go greedy ff and get 3 tcs and mosque ups asap into jan abus cannon

Double rax Jan rush. The only strat that works below PR 20 and above PR 40.

Wtf.


Better question:

How does brit beat oto?

lemmings121 wrote:Wtf.


Better question:

How does brit beat oto?

Brit is actually overall a solid civ against all civs.

Jan abus with stagecoach. The hard part is figuring out if you wanna age or not, and if so at what time.

If they greed you can age rather early, you won't need more than 5 abus probably. Something like 700w 700g 700f (possibly 600g) and age. In age 3 you always prioritize getting enough jans, vet jans and 2 falcs. Then you can mix in more abus and vet abus.

If they try aggro musk huss, you just mass jan abus and hold TPs for as long as you have to. Ship crates and mass, possibly unit shipments, abus upgrades if prolonged colonial. If they're aggro you basically have more eco than them and you also have abus, so np need to age. Just age if they start camping with lbs or they just raid you.

If they open huss for whatever weird reason, you jan huss with stagecoach. You'll have more stuff so you can damage them, and with your own huss you can catch raids. Can also age at some point if you're feeling safe.


There are other ways to play the MU depending on what he does. FF or even FI can be viable, but honestly it just feels worse to me. It's just easier for brits to run 5 pikes, some musks or some huss around, to just deny your stagecoach, buy time, raid you, etc, while outbooming. And then you rely mostly on the 2 falcs push when FFing, so he might just pull some vils and surround you. I don't like taking that kind of risk when there's a superior strat available

If it isn't a stagecoach map, otto just loses the MU. In that case tower FF is probably your best option though.

i would go abus huss and probebly lose.

Victor_swe wrote:i would go abus huss and probebly lose.

Ye, that's terrible

[Armag] diarouga wrote:

Victor_swe wrote:i would go abus huss and probebly lose.

Ye, that's terrible

What about gren/jan ; p

Kaiserklein wrote:Jan abus with stagecoach. The hard part is figuring out if you wanna age or not, and if so at what time.

If they greed you can age rather early, you won't need more than 5 abus probably. Something like 700w 700g 700f (possibly 600g) and age. In age 3 you always prioritize getting enough jans, vet jans and 2 falcs. Then you can mix in more abus and vet abus.

If they try aggro musk huss, you just mass jan abus and hold TPs for as long as you have to. Ship crates and mass, possibly unit shipments, abus upgrades if prolonged colonial. If they're aggro you basically have more eco than them and you also have abus, so np need to age. Just age if they start camping with lbs or they just raid you.

If they open huss for whatever weird reason, you jan huss with stagecoach. You'll have more stuff so you can damage them, and with your own huss you can catch raids. Can also age at some point if you're feeling safe.


There are other ways to play the MU depending on what he does. FF or even FI can be viable, but honestly it just feels worse to me. It's just easier for brits to run 5 pikes, some musks or some huss around, to just deny your stagecoach, buy time, raid you, etc, while outbooming. And then you rely mostly on the 2 falcs push when FFing, so he might just pull some vils and surround you. I don't like taking that kind of risk when there's a superior strat available

If it isn't a stagecoach map, otto just loses the MU. In that case tower FF is probably your best option though.

agree with all, problem is you cant ever push as tc/tower kill abus and lbs is really strong defensivly vs jan abus. And he does have lots of hunt under tc on most maps. So going jan abus semi makes sense, just sometimes seem scary to hold a timing push when you hit up and lose fb and a tp and then brits age behind. I think brit does well vs otto personally, just way harrder for the brit than the otto

[Armag] diarouga wrote:

Victor_swe wrote:i would go abus huss and probebly lose.

Ye, that's terrible

It is not terrible, it was actually the way to go.
Now with nerfed abus I wouldn't do that but you do definetely need all 3 unit types vs brits.

jan abus with stage does fine in drawn out age 2 fight

In practice you get ouplayed hard without huss and jan abus per se doesn't even beat Brit combo. Same for most civs who have good colo units btw.

i disagree, with stage and map control its good for otto. cant push into brit with lbs but when they have to move out you do way better, and abus get carded eventually. imo jan abus > jan abus huss in age 2

Hawk_Girl wrote:agree with all, problem is you cant ever push as tc/tower kill abus and lbs is really strong defensivly vs jan abus. And he does have lots of hunt under tc on most maps. So going jan abus semi makes sense, just sometimes seem scary to hold a timing push when you hit up and lose fb and a tp and then brits age behind. I think brit does well vs otto personally, just way harrder for the brit than the otto

That's why if they camp with lb you age early. They won't be able to timing push and break your fb with lbs if you're up at 8 mins. Going out at that point if you're staying colo is suicide vs 3 huss + jan abus if it's a lb heavy composition. And once you hit fortress it's kinda too late for brits to push.
They'll probably pike one tp but that's ok. Losing fb is kinda game losing as otto when you aged, you don't want to invest wood on rebuilding a rax and veterancy, while also losing your TPs which are impossible to replace with your shit eco

I struggle vs the jan abus semi into vet jan falc with 3 tps the most

Take 5ATP stagecoach and make Imams to assert dominance

Mercenary and artillery as soon as possible.

Victor_swe wrote:i would go abus huss and probebly lose.

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