How to beat the Netherland with France
How to beat the Netherland with France
Hi there
I tried to break down the bank with a variety of batches, but I failed.
But it's even more stupid to go to age3 without attacking the bank.
How can I beat the Netherlands?
I tried to break down the bank with a variety of batches, but I failed.
But it's even more stupid to go to age3 without attacking the bank.
How can I beat the Netherlands?
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Conventional wisdom is to go age 3 and push with 2 falcs early, before their banks can pay off. I'd probably go semi-FF with 5 hussars in age 2 to idle them and maybe get a vil or two. Card order 4 vils -> 700c -> 700w.
Make skirms, some goons if he has a stable, ship 2 falcs first card in age 3, push their houses and production buildings and don't let them get hunts outside their base.
Make skirms, some goons if he has a stable, ship 2 falcs first card in age 3, push their houses and production buildings and don't let them get hunts outside their base.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
few ways I guess
1) all in rush w/an all in rush civ (like aztec -- beware CM)
2) age 2 pressure with eco behind for a big age 2 timing while he's aging (like brit) usually staying age 2 to seal the deal
3) fast ff w/siege and forward shipment point (like spain, otto, china, haud)
4) age 2 timing + eco macro game (like france, port -- musk/huss + 8 bow shipment w/stagecoach behind and age after doing damage)
5) germany (germany)
6) out eco (like japan, or vc, 2 docks, livestock pen build on florida, or naked stagecoach)
7) FI (like china, japan, or spain)
1) all in rush w/an all in rush civ (like aztec -- beware CM)
2) age 2 pressure with eco behind for a big age 2 timing while he's aging (like brit) usually staying age 2 to seal the deal
3) fast ff w/siege and forward shipment point (like spain, otto, china, haud)
4) age 2 timing + eco macro game (like france, port -- musk/huss + 8 bow shipment w/stagecoach behind and age after doing damage)
5) germany (germany)
6) out eco (like japan, or vc, 2 docks, livestock pen build on florida, or naked stagecoach)
7) FI (like china, japan, or spain)
Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
1. Age 2 hussar+pike. Go hussar first.
2. Aggressive FF/SFF. Send 2 cannons first, and spam skirm from 2 rax. You can even try to put 2 rax in front.
You don't really need to stop his bank boom. Dutch don't have cannons, so an aggressive FF pressure works.
2. Aggressive FF/SFF. Send 2 cannons first, and spam skirm from 2 rax. You can even try to put 2 rax in front.
You don't really need to stop his bank boom. Dutch don't have cannons, so an aggressive FF pressure works.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
One does not simply beat the Netherlands
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
At my lvl semi ff and then skirm + cuir + 2 falcs works quite well. With the cuirs you can ironically scare the ruyters away like spain is doing with the pikes
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Wow you are back!!Veni_Vidi_Vici_W wrote:One does not simply beat the Netherlands
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
With France, you should go for a stagecoach semi-ff if possible. Start 700w and stable, beware of enemy pikes shipped or trained (scout!) and control the trade line. Falcs and cuirs are your best friend, but beware not to push with only one of those two as the ruyters are liable to trade cost-effectively without additional French support.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
It depends on what skill level you are and what playstyle works best for you!!
I am currently around 1250 elo(1st lieutenant on TAD) and what is working really well for me is a musk huss timing aimed to attack them right as they hit fortress followed by an age up!! The aim of it is to do as much damage as possible and trade your units for their fortress shipments while you age behind that and get access to stronger units yourself!!
I usually go for 700w 4cdb 700g, get 2 batches of huss first to raid a bit but try and keep them alive and then 3 or 4 batches of musks!! U can send 8bow for a stronger timing or you can attack with these units and send 600c to age up!!
This was so far what worked the best for me, getting tps and stagecoach used to work really well for me back on TAD but for some reason on DE it doesnt seem to do really well!!
Probably cuz of the extra bank they get and that they can just go industrial and get a lot of stuff like the musks from the church and heavy canons!!
I am currently around 1250 elo(1st lieutenant on TAD) and what is working really well for me is a musk huss timing aimed to attack them right as they hit fortress followed by an age up!! The aim of it is to do as much damage as possible and trade your units for their fortress shipments while you age behind that and get access to stronger units yourself!!
I usually go for 700w 4cdb 700g, get 2 batches of huss first to raid a bit but try and keep them alive and then 3 or 4 batches of musks!! U can send 8bow for a stronger timing or you can attack with these units and send 600c to age up!!
This was so far what worked the best for me, getting tps and stagecoach used to work really well for me back on TAD but for some reason on DE it doesnt seem to do really well!!
Probably cuz of the extra bank they get and that they can just go industrial and get a lot of stuff like the musks from the church and heavy canons!!
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Age 12/10 or 13 if you can and pressure with a forward stable. You can just go 4 cdbs / 700w and add a barracks (very important in case he goes 8 pikes) and TPs with the wood, or open 700w if you think you'll be able to get a decent batch of cav out. Add some bows if they open rax, as bow / huss is what you want. Add 5 pikes and/or musks if they open stable. Can go 600w at some point. Get stagecoach sooner or later depending on how greedy they are, if it's not a stagecoach map just mass more or age earlier. Hit some sort of timing with infantry + cav, do some damage, and then age with 700g (or 600g if you used 700g for the timing).
You usually want to end up in fortress with a forward double rax no matter what, and just open with mass skirms + enough goons. Send falcs only once you have enough units to cover them, usually 3rd card or so. Later on you add cuir.
It's pretty hard to answer more accurately than that, because it really depends so much on your opening, on the map, and on what you scout. I personally don't have a plan at minute 0 in this specific MU, there really are a lot of ways to play this match up as France.
I guess you can check this game, it's the most recent casted game I've played in MU. It shows one way to play it aggressively, you can find more videos featuring this classic MU though.
You usually want to end up in fortress with a forward double rax no matter what, and just open with mass skirms + enough goons. Send falcs only once you have enough units to cover them, usually 3rd card or so. Later on you add cuir.
It's pretty hard to answer more accurately than that, because it really depends so much on your opening, on the map, and on what you scout. I personally don't have a plan at minute 0 in this specific MU, there really are a lot of ways to play this match up as France.
I guess you can check this game, it's the most recent casted game I've played in MU. It shows one way to play it aggressively, you can find more videos featuring this classic MU though.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Well, what's the French start meta in DE now? TP start 14p, market start 13p, TP start 12p (no house), TP start 13p (idle for a while)?Kaiserklein wrote:Age 12/10 or 13 if you can
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
12/10 whenever you find like 70+ food treasure, which is almost every game on shitty DE maps which have a billion broken treasures. If you don't, try to get a wood treasure so you don't chop the whole 100w for a house, you'll probably be able to go 13. If you don't, you can go TP + market with 50+ gold in treasures. You should at least get one of these (usually multiple) basically every game as France.
Most people still go for the 14 age up with TP but soon they'll realize it's just worse.
Most people still go for the 14 age up with TP but soon they'll realize it's just worse.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Ye it's insane French can TP + 13v every single game without even any idle time.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
I've been able to get consistent TP & 13v ageups with like 5 seconds or less idle time. I once did a TP & market & 14v with like 5 seconds idle but that was because I totally screwed up my build. But generally France now ages up pretty damn fast and thus Dutch shouldn't have a lot of room to breathe in colonial.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Thats why 3huss meta is strongest than ever
Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
What's changed? Were we doing something wrong on EP?Garja wrote:Ye it's insane French can TP + 13v every single game without even any idle time.
Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
It was already possible on EP actually, but on DE there are even more treasures and they are all fixed (like 30f -> 50f).
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Yeah on DE you always get the best crates, only TP maps, most maps have either food treasures, wood treasures or livestock
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
The testing of fixed crates on EP was very short lived, that is to say DE came and EP testing stopped.chris1089 wrote:What's changed? Were we doing something wrong on EP?Garja wrote:Ye it's insane French can TP + 13v every single game without even any idle time.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Fixed crate is just so cool. Tbh if they remove it, i would stop aoe3 :/
Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
The only thing I dislike is that DE animals walk away automatically
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
100% agree!!fei123456 wrote:The only thing I dislike is that DE animals walk away automatically
I hated capybaras back on tad and now every single hunt behaves almost the same way!!
Dont wanna even imagine having to deal with them on DE!!
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Well first tip is don't try to take down the banks.ssaa22 wrote:Hi there
I tried to break down the bank with a variety of batches, but I failed.
But it's even more stupid to go to age3 without attacking the bank.
How can I beat the Netherlands?
Go for houses first and military buildings second if you can. Sieging a bank is time consuming and allows the opponent to be shooting with max TC Fire efficiency.
I'd like to ask what is the build order you are working with currently?
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Wait, so you're saying that it's possible to age 14 idleless with tp+market with a single 50c treasure? Or do you just eat the idle time and don't care?Kaiserklein wrote:12/10 whenever you find like 70+ food treasure, which is almost every game on shitty DE maps which have a billion broken treasures. If you don't, try to get a wood treasure so you don't chop the whole 100w for a house, you'll probably be able to go 13. If you don't, you can go TP + market with 50+ gold in treasures. You should at least get one of these (usually multiple) basically every game as France.
Most people still go for the 14 age up with TP but soon they'll realize it's just worse.
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Re: How to beat the Netherland with France
Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying, you'll have 700f or so if you only get 50g and no other treasure. That's like 5 secs of idle time, which is worth the free market, you just need tight macro and a decent first xp.macacoalbino wrote:Wait, so you're saying that it's possible to age 14 idleless with tp+market with a single 50c treasure? Or do you just eat the idle time and don't care?Kaiserklein wrote:12/10 whenever you find like 70+ food treasure, which is almost every game on shitty DE maps which have a billion broken treasures. If you don't, try to get a wood treasure so you don't chop the whole 100w for a house, you'll probably be able to go 13. If you don't, you can go TP + market with 50+ gold in treasures. You should at least get one of these (usually multiple) basically every game as France.
Most people still go for the 14 age up with TP but soon they'll realize it's just worse.
And usually you'll also get some more treasures. Food or wood obviously help, but even more gold helps as you'll just use it to buy wood instead of chopping everything. So let's say you find 80g, you'll have 30g left after HD, so you can just mine 95g (which is faster than chopping 100w) and buy for your house.
And people underestimate the impact of that kind of opening. It means you can e.g chop for only placer mines in transition and then task your cdbs to food and coin, and hit fortress around 7:00 without using 700g (700w instead for infrastructures), which makes for a both greedy and quick FF. Or you can chop extra wood for 2 houses instead of your market, meaning you can open with 2 buildings samwise style, but with 4 cdbs instead of 700w (I've had batches of 10 musks before with that build). Or you can get 5 huss out regardless of the 5 coss idling you, because you banked so much. It's pretty OP anyway.
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