Torp vs Shrine

[deleted_user]

Do you think which one is better? and why? reasonable reasons please.

[Challenger_Marco]

Torp ofc because it can gather 3 res simultaneously & it gathers atleast 2 resources & the raw resource income from torp without any upgrades is better than a shrine ,shrine needs the kami & Toshugu to be able to compete atleast but with torps upgrades it surpasses any land boom in aoe3 around 10 mins.
Edit:I need 1 more vote for Garja

[Scroogie]

Torp is three shrines and an outpost in one.

[Scroogie]

.

[Joe]

.

triple gold is fake news.. it goes from 0.3 to 0.6
and how is it a outpost? can vills hide inside a torp? does the torp shoot enemy troops? is this ur suggestion for the next patch?

[Miyawaki Sakura]

kami shrine is 0.8 vill, but blueberries + ironworks + blackberries + hunt Torp is 2~2.5 vill.
20 torps = 40~ 50 vill
20 shrine = 16 vill

delete sweden plz

[chronique]

Shrine is more annoying than torp, torp is just too good right now but overall i think it's much easier to balance swe than japan.

[gibson]

Yea torp is better design, just atm too good

[aaryngend]

Garja is losing this poll 19-18 ?!!?

STOP THE COUNTS!!!!

[Zutazuta]

Let’s revert shrines back to es1.01a just for fun.

[aaryngend]

Garja is losing this poll 19-18 ?!!?

STOP THE COUNTS!!!!

Garja leading again!! Guess my post did its part...

[fei123456]

Shrines are insanely cheap, and you use 2 monks to build them, not vills. That means, even you're under pressure, you can still spend a few resource to spam shrines outside the map, while Sweden can't.

[Jerimuno]

shrines cost 125w and torps 135, right?

[Plantinator]

Both 125 actually but there is no way to make torps cheaper (unless u ally to cree or sth weird)

[EliteRifleman]

Swedish torps are like Fabiani's missed goal, very cool at the beginning but in the end they are not a big deal.
I prefer shrines.

If you don't understand the reference to Fabiani, check out that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AfoVUm ... nEscalante

[arivus]

Torps of course, it benefits is BIG in early game to kickstart eco, and once resource are out, mine can still be send and settler can still work in 8+ plantation/mill to reach more than 100 settler economy. Shrine have the benefits of constant trickle of 1 resource through out the game, but in late game it's a complement to a 7 rice paddies eco.

[sebnan12]

Garja is losing this poll

Not on my watch

[Hazza54321]

Shrines are insanely cheap, and you use 2 monks to build them, not vills. That means, even you're under pressure, you can still spend a few resource to spam shrines outside the map, while Sweden can't.

Shrines cost the same as torps and you can always just send out 1 or 2 vills as sweden anyway

[Jerimuno]

lol torps being 125w is actually a joke, it's like 100w for a regular house and 25w extra res for 1-2v worth of gathering

[PatrickLFC]

Could a possible change be something like increasing the cost of a torp and increase the pop space they provide, so that you can have a max of 10 or 12 or something? Although tbh just nerfing the gather rates is maybe better

[88_Baron_Rojo_88]

The question of something so obvious is not going to generate any debate unless the Swedish players come in to make any bad excuse. Now you can see the collection of a torp until you send the card that improves the collection in the mines, which is when they bug, it is simply ridiculous what they collect, it is even more than 2 vills. Sweden is ridiculously OP and there is no more, they already have crossbowmen at 2 age, they keep the mercenary buff at 3, the full boom is in just 7 minutes and they defend from any rush without problems, civ to inflate the elo and so noobs win with one hand, nothing more, something similar to the Incas will happen when people begin to discover lammer huaracas and the bola warriors are

[aaryngend]

The question of something so obvious is not going to generate any debate unless the Swedish players come in to make any bad excuse. Now you can see the collection of a torp until you send the card that improves the collection in the mines, which is when they bug, it is simply ridiculous what they collect, it is even more than 2 vills. Sweden is ridiculously OP and there is no more, they already have crossbowmen at 2 age, they keep the mercenary buff at 3, the full boom is in just 7 minutes and they defend from any rush without problems, civ to inflate the elo and so noobs win with one hand, nothing more, something similar to the Incas will happen when people begin to discover lammer huaracas and the bola warriors are

Have you tried to wall in your enemies torps? I heard that they stop gathering then, rendering them useless

[Garja]

huaracad and bolas lammer?

[Astaroth]

lol torps being 125w is actually a joke, it's like 100w for a regular house and 25w extra res for 1-2v worth of gathering

Altho to be fair, this math doesn't really apply until later in the game because you would never build 200 pop of houses early on. So really you just pay 125w for 1-2v, which is ofc great but it isn't really 25w.

Otherwise you could also say Sioux starts with 2000w.

[princeofcarthage]

??? Regardless it is1-2 v for 25 w. Whether you build all 20 or not is irrelevant you need like 7 houses by minute 7 so that's still 7-14 vills more for 175 more w

Yesterday I saw aussie he was on 7 vills but gathering like 20