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India BO and streams

Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 08:09
by P4blit0
I would like to improve my knowledge of India, besides what is already on the strategy wall. Does someone have an idea of where I could find other (or more recent) BOs ?
Also, I like to watch Aizamk playing Indians on Twitch but find difficult to replicate his strats. Are there other good India players out there who I could learn from ?
Thanks :smile:

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 08:30
by Mr_Bramboy
Check out the recent Challenge Cup: most of the games should be on youtube by now. If you click on a match you'll find the corresponding video. challenge-cup/groups

I know the finals had at least one India game in them, but unfortunately the masses have decided that India just not a very good civ right now so they are underrepresented in recent tournaments.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 08:32
by UpMySleeves
Yeah, hard to replicate Aiz's playstyle. I saw Don Artie streaming some India yesterday, there is also sepoyguy, I assume he only plays India. Aykin aka Tit also plays India. Top players like Knusch and Hazza also play it, but I haven't seen them stream recently.
I'm guessing you read Wicked's guide, it helped me a lot.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 08:50
by P4blit0
Thanks for your answers, I'll look it up. Yeah I read Wicked's guide, it's a goldmine !

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 15:25
by AndiAOE
My Ideas about india, is this what you are looking for?




Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 15:54
by aaryngend
Wasn't there some youtube video where miggo and someone else did nothing but talk about india for over an hour? Should be a good starting point.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 01 Apr 2021, 14:05
by Anthem
If you find it useful this was released about 3 hours ago, it is not from the current patch but from the previous one :smile:

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 06 Apr 2021, 11:33
by P4blit0
For the record, I found a video from Haitch explaining how to counter Portugal on water maps:

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 00:50
by aaryngend
aaryngend wrote:Wasn't there some youtube video where miggo and someone else did nothing but talk about india for over an hour? Should be a good starting point.
Found it:

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 01:51
by Youssef

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 18:49
by P4blit0
Thanks for sharing guys! I just watched @Youssef video (will watch the other later) and that's a sweet push.
Two questions: 1/ what's the follow-up after sending 700g, aging or producing more units ? and 2/ was it intentional to stay with the Ottoman consulate ? I would have switched to British one for health bonus but I might miss something.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 19:51
by look
good topic.. i have some games in my stream.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 23:35
by Youssef
P4blit0 wrote:Thanks for sharing guys! I just watched @Youssef video (will watch the other later) and that's a sweet push.
Two questions: 1/ what's the follow-up after sending 700g, aging or producing more units ? and 2/ was it intentional to stay with the Ottoman consulate ? I would have switched to British one for health bonus but I might miss something.
in this case was going to ship tiger, but usually after 5 sepoy I go for big trickle or 700w and get 4vills from otto consulate, market ups, build a stable and change army composition to gurkha sowar zamb. I think is better stay colonial in this build

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 06:37
by P4blit0
Youssef wrote:in this case was going to ship tiger, but usually after 5 sepoy I go for big trickle or 700w and get 4vills from otto consulate, market ups, build a stable and change army composition to gurkha sowar zamb. I think is better stay colonial in this build
Cool, I was wondering when to drop the market. Gonna give it a try!

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 09:51
by P4blit0
look wrote:good topic.. i have some games in my stream.
I watched some. You never age up with 14 vills do you ? I also notice you don't always build a market in transition, in which situations do you prefer not to ?

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 10:24
by Mr_Bramboy
P4blit0 wrote:
look wrote:good topic.. i have some games in my stream.
I watched some. You never age up with 14 vills do you ? I also notice you don't always build a market in transition, in which situations do you prefer not to ?
The standard India age 1 opening is 15 vills (gather wood for 14 + 1 from the shipment). Market opening in transition is also standard, but you can substitute it with a TP. The decision is dependent on your build. If you want to get to fortress quickly a TP is useful. A TP is also used in more greedy builds, for example, Good Faith Agreements (age 1 card), but you need to be wary of what your opponent is doing. It comes down to the feel you have for the game.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 11:49
by P4blit0
Mr_Bramboy wrote:
P4blit0 wrote:
look wrote:good topic.. i have some games in my stream.
I watched some. You never age up with 14 vills do you ? I also notice you don't always build a market in transition, in which situations do you prefer not to ?
The standard India age 1 opening is 15 vills (gather wood for 14 + 1 from the shipment). Market opening in transition is also standard, but you can substitute it with a TP. The decision is dependent on your build. If you want to get to fortress quickly a TP is useful. A TP is also used in more greedy builds, for example, Good Faith Agreements (age 1 card), but you need to be wary of what your opponent is doing. It comes down to the feel you have for the game.
I usually do as stated in WickedCossacks guide and age up with 14, but in look_tom's streams he starts aging up with 12 vills, and sometimes builds the market early- or mid-age II, as well as a consulate. I like this BO because it puts pressure earlier, seemingly without sacrificing eco.
Example here, the first game: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1001341308

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 15:30
by Joe

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 16:32
by GKShaman
Really liked that game @look ! @P4blit0 - the Pro2Casual video I recorded with Tit and Miggo - We talk water/land etc India and all card choices and build orders. Its more longform podcast style. But it does have gameplay as well.

Re: India BO and streams

Posted: 26 Apr 2021, 22:33
by look
P4blit0 wrote:
look wrote:good topic.. i have some games in my stream.
I watched some. You never age up with 14 vills do you ? I also notice you don't always build a market in transition, in which situations do you prefer not to ?
when I rush hard
normaly without 14 vills to focus on fast rush..
but depends against who/civ u are playing..