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Maybe a way to play this kind of mu on no tp map. I should build the church as soon as i can.

But they realy need to fixe the native bug, i had like 2 missionary plus some xbow stuck in. It's like 15% less dps on my whole army lol
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Age 2 vs japan should never work :hmm:
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Well age 2 Japan isn't the strongest civ, they really need age 3 unit ups. I could see how Unction Spain could beat them in a drawn-out age 2 if you keep the shrine count down.
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forgrin wrote:Well age 2 Japan isn't the strongest civ, they really need age 3 unit ups. I could see how Unction Spain could beat them in a drawn-out age 2 if you keep the shrine count down.
Lol, japan not strongest age2 civ means not its worse than spain in it.
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what's the strongest age2 civ
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turns out it's japan
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Yeah what beats jap late colonial i cant think of any
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Garja wrote:what's the strongest age2 civ
Sweden
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Hazza54321 wrote:Yeah what beats jap late colonial i cant think of any
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Port & Inca out-eco as long as you have some pik out, India wins fights age 2 after double carded camels.
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forgrin wrote:Port & Inca out-eco as long as you have some pik out, India wins fights age 2 after double carded camels.
By the time u outeco japs as ports in age 2 ur dead
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and india dont win with camels
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If you allow me a suggestion, you can try if you decide to fight with Spain in colonial age with an archaic composition or even with native archers as in this game, (especially in maps with tp that there was not in this one) in short, troops spending wood and food.

There is a good strategy that would be to go to colonial with the logistician and spam shipments of 300 of infinite wood all the time, sending the first shipment just when there are 41 seconds left to go to colonial, I do not know how it will be in English but I have a mark in my screen to send it in that very second. So, just arrived at colonial you have 400 of wood, 200 of food and 100 of gold, plus the next shipment will arrive in 20 seconds with the same amount. (Do not put two shipments in the queue from the first age since all those that you put in the queue will take 40 seconds, you must put one only and when you receive it the moment you arrive at colonial, only then do you put another in the queue).

The advantage of this is that with few villagers you can make a pretty good archaic army spam by abusing the shipping of wooden crates (the more TPs the better)(and do market upgrades whit extra gold of shipments ).

The negative, you are not sending villagers and your strategy has to be a winner with this system, if the enemy reaches a third age with more villagers it is difficult to overcome. but u have possibility to win early, anyways was a very good game and nice victory, what do you think?
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Hazza54321 wrote:and india dont win with camels
Camels :devil:
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forgrin wrote:Port & Inca out-eco as long as you have some pik out, India wins fights age 2 after double carded camels.
Out-ecoing does not do you much good when you are fighting ashis-yumis with musks-crossbows. Also Ports with 2 TC don't ever out-eco Japan with 2x4 vills shipments and shrines.
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Japs still best colo civ, India probably second and Russia 3rd. Swedes is good early on, but get outscaled.
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Garja wrote:Japs still best colo civ, India probably second and Russia 3rd. Swedes is good early on, but get outscaled.
How does Sweden get outscaled by those civ and if so caroleans+cannons in age 2 is just imba.
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It doesn't.
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Rohbrot wrote:
Garja wrote:Japs still best colo civ, India probably second and Russia 3rd. Swedes is good early on, but get outscaled.
How does Sweden get outscaled by those civ and if so caroleans+cannons in age 2 is just imba.
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Nah, if game goes on in colo Jap just wins because not only they get more eco than swedes but also having yumi is game winning. Also ashi alone are better than caroleans after ups (caroleans need arsenal and you generally don't have it in colo).
Swedes in colo are like Dutch, they're good mid game cause they boom fast and have a good spammable unit but there are civs that get better eventually.
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@Garja for the most part I agree but AA is the civ bonus for swe
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Ye but you don't age with the arsenal usually.
Also still not 100% sure if AA ups are enough to beat Jap unit with ups.
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1) Unction + xbow upg + tupi upg, don't know if there are any unit who can deal with. Also, unction is insane because it increase siege damage as well, age2 pik with 50 siege damade is pretty gud.

2) @88_Baron_Rojo_88 I don't like this age up because you age 20 sec latter and you can't realy spend your 700r (you don't need them and it's better to age with 200g/500f and send 700w). The things is, this politician is maybe better on tp map if you can back to back send two age 1 shipement, the second one will arrive 20 sec latter and maybe you can hit a timing behind.

3)@Leafy idk, @Rohbrot is going to be jealous ^^
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@chronique , look who liked the post of leafy :D
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