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16 Feb 2018, 10:22

yes, or nerf sepoy attack by 1 and give them back hp.

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16 Feb 2018, 10:50

Sepoys are fine right now, and india is a strong civ
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16 Feb 2018, 11:14

India is top civ after Sioux, so basically the actual top civ
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16 Feb 2018, 11:31

Unnecessary sowar cost reduction will do that. The sepoy nerf was compensated by the house buff so I don't know why they received another buff on top of that.
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16 Feb 2018, 11:34

WickedCossack wrote:Unnecessary sowar cost reduction


What cost reduction? I see people mentioning this, but it isnt in patch notes, and the price is the same as always o.O
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16 Feb 2018, 11:37

WickedCossack wrote:Unnecessary sowar cost reduction will do that. The sepoy nerf was compensated by the house buff so I don't know why they received another buff on top of that.
Because of widespread complaints that they would otherwise be too weak. I'm glad you think the problem is the Sowar Buff, though.
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16 Feb 2018, 11:39

lemmings121 wrote:
WickedCossack wrote:Unnecessary sowar cost reduction


What cost reduction? I see people mentioning this, but it isnt in patch notes, and the price is the same as always o.O


They now cost 75f, 75c.
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16 Feb 2018, 11:40

WickedCossack wrote:Unnecessary sowar cost reduction will do that. The sepoy nerf was compensated by the house buff so I don't know why they received another buff on top of that.
Because of the vast backlash of the sepoy change and the complaint that it was pushing India towards fortress styles too much, which I did see the merit of. People also expected India to be weak after the sepoy nerf.

I don't think the sowar change would be the cause of India being too strong though. More likely the house buff is more significant than people expected.
Are their winning builds colonial builds or fortress? Do they make a lot of sowar?
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16 Feb 2018, 11:42

lemmings121 wrote:
WickedCossack wrote:Unnecessary sowar cost reduction


What cost reduction? I see people mentioning this, but it isnt in patch notes, and the price is the same as always o.O


From 80f, 80c to 75f, 75c.

Its just a slight buff. Sowars are pretty weak without cards, they are not worth more than 150 resources anyway.
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16 Feb 2018, 12:02

Goodspeed wrote:Because of the vast backlash of the sepoy change and the complaint that it was pushing India towards fortress styles too much, which I did see the merit of. People also expected India to be weak after the sepoy nerf.

I don't think the sowar change would be the cause of India being too strong though. More likely the house buff is more significant than people expected.
Are their winning builds colonial builds or fortress? Do they make a lot of sowar?


They would still be good without the sowar buff, like I said at the time it was just an unnecessary boost on top of that. Most of the complaints were about the style change and not that the result would be a weak India. On the EP I build more sowars than I make sepoys. :lol: Winning builds are pretty mixed, I think in the tournament we saw them stay age 2 and go age 3/4 with good success allround.
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16 Feb 2018, 13:36

Both agra and karni builds ar rather effective.
Sowar buff does help colonial agra builds as you get bit more sowars out at the reldvant point of the game and with more ease.
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17 Feb 2018, 13:04

breeze wrote:I think india is fine right now, the only problem is their rush doesn't work at all since the maps are balanced ( expect some of them )

You say that, but India actually won most of the games where people played aggressively in the tournament.

I think India is in a good spot right now, I wouldn't change anything to be honest.
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17 Feb 2018, 13:19

Are people taking no TP maps into account when discussing india? How would india be top civ on TP maps? I dont see how they 'beat' any decent fortress civ atm on standard maps.

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17 Feb 2018, 14:22

Some input on how India deals with semi FF civs now.
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17 Feb 2018, 14:35

Garja wrote:Some input on how India deals with semi FF civs now.

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17 Feb 2018, 14:56

France is not my best civ and I did some bad decisions. I pushed with 2 cannons too early, thinking garja is aging, should have scouted better.
I think this match up is quite 50/50 now as its supposed to be.
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01 Jun 2018, 17:38

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01 Jun 2018, 17:48

no

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