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Malaysia Yamato23
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12 Jul 2019, 01:35

TheZeroEmpires wrote:Just to add some clarification (not trying to defend the fact that playing on the PCs here feels different to home).

The players have their own mice and keyboards, so they should feel no different. Of course, any windows settings would need to be set the same for the exact same feeling as home.

In-game settings will be identical to what they have at home too, since we have each players custom settings on the pc when they sit down to play.

As for equipment, the screens are 144hz and the PCs are top of the line, rtx2080s and the highest tier ryzen processors etc.

Players may spend as much time as needed getting set up with the pc on the stage- but of course it may not be possible to replicate the feeling of playing at home exactly.

Totally agree!!
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Tuvalu gibson
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12 Jul 2019, 01:38

somppukunkku wrote:
gibson wrote:Well playing on a laptop is worse for sure

I'm not really sure if that's true for AOE. Only thing changing is screen size. I have shifted both, with table comp in Finland during summer holidays and in Germany I always play with laptop. I can't see any difference. It only takes a couple of days to get used to each.
well if you have a separate keyboard it’s probably not that big difference, but having a regular keyboard is certainly better. Also there’s a reason why 24 inches is standard gaming monitor size and not 15. I’m fairly certain that a decent amount of what people are complaining about is mental.
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Canada Mitoe
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12 Jul 2019, 01:39

Oh man the lighting in my match was not very flattering haha
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Malaysia Yamato23
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12 Jul 2019, 01:41

princeofkabul wrote:I had my mouse and keyboard of course. I think I had The settings I play normally, but somehow everything felt unnatural. The same feeling you have when you play your first game after 6 months or so.

Bro, u might be just nervous.
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12 Jul 2019, 03:20

Yamato23 wrote:
princeofkabul wrote:I had my mouse and keyboard of course. I think I had The settings I play normally, but somehow everything felt unnatural. The same feeling you have when you play your first game after 6 months or so.

Bro, u r just nervous. Get over it!

Id appreciate your response in the thread I quoted you, it's rude to left people hanging.
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12 Jul 2019, 07:03

Play in a totally different environement, with an audience, 1k viewer, 4k TT etc... which result in a lot of pression and stressed, has probably a way bigger impact than... a different screen ?
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Poland pecelot
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12 Jul 2019, 07:10

also, can't you just change the mouse sensitivity?
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12 Jul 2019, 07:13

Were the players given some time to practice with the setup before the tournament games? I totally agree that playing on a different setup can have a huge impact on your performance, and i find it a bit odd that players were allowed to bring more than just their peripherals. Anyway, since those are the rules, kaiser has every right to play on his laptop, and as others have pointed out, there is also a very important mental aspect to it. I think that for future tournament the rules should be changed to avoid these kind of nuisances
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Romania Dolan
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12 Jul 2019, 07:20

somppukunkku wrote:Then, there's always the controversy whether it's fair.

Seven players have to get used to 1) new computer (i'm not sure about that are the practical issues here?) and 2) New screen

So should the eight player be benefitted to play with
a) Home set-up
b) forced to play with new keyboard, new screen and computer?

None of the options are not fair and at this time it's definitely too late to change the rules.

The typical setup I've seen at pro esports events is: you play with the PC they're providing you with. Even with the peripherals they provide you with, because very often they are sponsored by Logitech and companies like that, which want you to showcase their hardware while competing. So, it's part of the competition rules that everyone plays on the same kind of hardware.
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Romania Dolan
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12 Jul 2019, 07:22

n0el wrote:When I heard kaiser was allowed to play on his laptop I was quite surprised. Not sure that would be permitted in any other kind of event.

It wouldn't. I'm surprised they haven't thought this through. Since the players probably signed a contract, someone could sue them and claim competition conditions were not equal.
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12 Jul 2019, 07:27

or, if that's really necessary, Kaiser could just start playing on the Escape PCs from now on
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Romania Dolan
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12 Jul 2019, 07:27

pecelot wrote:also, can't you just change the mouse sensitivity?
You need to install the exact software you had on your home PC for your mouse. Not sure if they were allowed to do that.
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12 Jul 2019, 07:28

they could — from now on :flowers:
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Romania Dolan
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12 Jul 2019, 07:28

pecelot wrote:or, if that's really necessary, Kaiser could just start playing on the Escape PCs from now on

This, tbh. Anyone, not just Kaiser, should be required to play on the same PCs. They can use whatever peripherals they want, as long as those don't have any installed macros, but otherwise, it should be part of the competition rules and conditions that players need to perform on the same setup.
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France [Armag] diarouga
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12 Jul 2019, 07:41

gibson wrote:
somppukunkku wrote:
gibson wrote:Well playing on a laptop is worse for sure

I'm not really sure if that's true for AOE. Only thing changing is screen size. I have shifted both, with table comp in Finland during summer holidays and in Germany I always play with laptop. I can't see any difference. It only takes a couple of days to get used to each.
well if you have a separate keyboard it’s probably not that big difference, but having a regular keyboard is certainly better. Also there’s a reason why 24 inches is standard gaming monitor size and not 15. I’m fairly certain that a decent amount of what people are complaining about is mental.

Not really. It's just the same in the practice games, you're slower, less accurate and you can't macro/micro well.
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12 Jul 2019, 08:25

somppukunkku wrote:
gibson wrote:Well playing on a laptop is worse for sure

It only takes a couple of days to get used to each.

and then the tournament is already over :uglylol:
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12 Jul 2019, 08:48

everyone complaining about kaiser having an unfair advantage when tabben is clearly gonna smash him anyway smh
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12 Jul 2019, 09:14

Yamato23 wrote:
princeofkabul wrote:I had my mouse and keyboard of course. I think I had The settings I play normally, but somehow everything felt unnatural. The same feeling you have when you play your first game after 6 months or so.

Bro, u might be just nervous.


Bro, no. Even when nervous I dont have to resort on dragboxing my stuff.
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Romania Dolan
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12 Jul 2019, 09:15

Kawapasaka wrote:everyone complaining about kaiser having an unfair advantage when tabben is clearly gonna smash him anyway smh
I know you're memeing, but it's not about the person, it's about the principle of all players playing in the same conditions.
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12 Jul 2019, 09:33

tabben is impressive and the series between Mitoe and diarouga were damn close.

I felt bad for Hazza because of the last game. There is a double penalty when somebody steals your medium/big treasure: first, he gets the bounty and then his explorer can finish yours.
Hazza was already out after thish, especially since the MU favors Germans. Not to mention he wasn't able to build a tp...
Prince's misfortune also hurt on Deccan.

tabben obviously did nothing wrong, but I wish there had been a gentleman's agreement since TAD release that would prevent the stealer to kill the enemy explorer in age1.
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Netherlands Mr_Bramboy
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12 Jul 2019, 09:37

Dolan wrote:
pecelot wrote:or, if that's really necessary, Kaiser could just start playing on the Escape PCs from now on

This, tbh. Anyone, not just Kaiser, should be required to play on the same PCs. They can use whatever peripherals they want, as long as those don't have any installed macros, but otherwise, it should be part of the competition rules and conditions that players need to perform on the same setup.
This is my personal non-esoc affiliated opinion: I agree. Although I do think you're overthinking it. The LAN has a very friendly atmosphere so far and everyone just seems happy to be there. Perhaps this will change later, but I don't think Kaiser is the villain in anyone's eyes.

Players were given plenty of help in replicating their setups. Settings like DPI and other mouse software should be exactly the same. Perhaps some windows settings are at fault, such as the mouse acceleration speed which some players might have enabled. A different resolution can also change how the game reacts to your inputs. I know kynesie plays or at least used to play in a small window with borders, because that's what he got used to.

I think Kaiser's laptop is fine for now, but it's not up to par to modern e-sports regulations for sure. With 40 attendees we shouldn't have to worry about that too much for now. If there is a LAN in the future, we can worry about stricter regulations when the time comes. For now, let's enjoy the awesome tourney the guys at Escape have delivered so far.
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Romania Dolan
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12 Jul 2019, 09:47

Well, I think I already emphasised I'm not singling out any particular person. It's just that, yeah, typically at esports events they insist on players using the same setup. And that's very often the case because they are sponsored by companies which produce peripherals, like Logitech or Razer. So, they would surely want players to use that gear which is at everyone's disposal.

And another reason why they do that is because they don't want to be sued later by a player who lost and claims he was disadvantaged.
Yeah, I know, it's just a small tourney, so conditions have been relaxed.
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12 Jul 2019, 09:49

I think Kaiser and Tabben have played the best AoE3 so far!
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12 Jul 2019, 10:02

I'm actually thinking of sueing Escape since my pizza yesterday didn't have any onions on it
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12 Jul 2019, 10:03

fightinfrenchman wrote:I'm actually thinking of sueing Escape since my pizza yesterday didn't have any onions on it

And it had Olives on by mistake.
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