Great Britain WickedCossack
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08 Sep 2019, 21:56

I hope @XeeleeFlower invitation is still open :P

Thanks for games & cast.
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[EP6-1 SP] WickedCossack[GE] vs GoodSpeed[SI] - ESOC Arizona.age3yrec
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[EP6-1 SP] WickedCossack[FR] vs GoodSpeed[IR] - ESOC Mendocino.age3yrec
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[EP6-1 SP] WickedCossack[PT] vs GoodSpeed[JP] - ESOC Alaska.age3yrec
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[EP6-1 SP] WickedCossack[OT] vs GoodSpeed[CH] - ESOC Florida.age3yrec
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[EP6-1 SP] WickedCossack[IN] vs GoodSpeed[IN] - ESOC Gran Chaco.age3yrec
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France [Armag] diarouga
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08 Sep 2019, 21:58

Surprised and disappointed.
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Great Britain TheNameDaniel
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08 Sep 2019, 22:03

pr 25 vs pr 25 soUNDS PRETTY EQUAL :)
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India rsy
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09 Sep 2019, 00:46

Cossack now needs to make a guide for the rest of the 13 civs too
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India Challenger_Marco
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09 Sep 2019, 03:32

GS needs to update his guide....
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09 Sep 2019, 06:46

WickedCossack wrote:I hope @XeeleeFlower invitation is still open :P
Of course it is! You just need to bring wine so that I may further drown my sorrows.
Whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

I love good methamphetamine; highly addictive.
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09 Sep 2019, 07:00

You have to witness goodspeed in person to fully realize how little shits he gives about (playing) AoE.
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Netherlands Goodspeed
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09 Sep 2019, 08:01

It was actually fun tbh. Made me want to play Sioux more. Shame they're about to rework the civ again :chinese:

Expected a little more solidarity in the civ selection in g1 though. Here I am having played like 3 games in the last 2 years and being forced to play either an India mirror, a match up I've never liked and you undoubtedly know very well, or blind pick...
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09 Sep 2019, 08:16

If I lost my team 5 points I'd not label it as fun.
and the giving famishes the craving
sweet thames, run softly, til I end my song

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09 Sep 2019, 08:20

Goodspeed wrote:It was actually fun tbh. Made me want to play Sioux more. Shame they're about to rework the civ again :chinese:

Expected a little more solidarity in the civ selection in g1 though. Here I am having played like 3 games in the last 2 years and being forced to play either an India mirror, a match up I've never liked and you undoubtedly know very well, or blind pick...
I also understand Wicked doesn't want to risk anything in the first game. I guess nobody really knew how you would perform.
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09 Sep 2019, 08:25

SirCallen wrote:If I lost my team 5 points I'd not label it as fun.
We do what we can.. I think that one went wrong at buying me for 1300 and putting me up against a player like WC in the first place :P
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09 Sep 2019, 08:27

edeholland wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:It was actually fun tbh. Made me want to play Sioux more. Shame they're about to rework the civ again :chinese:

Expected a little more solidarity in the civ selection in g1 though. Here I am having played like 3 games in the last 2 years and being forced to play either an India mirror, a match up I've never liked and you undoubtedly know very well, or blind pick...
I also understand Wicked doesn't want to risk anything in the first game. I guess nobody really knew how you would perform.
Regardless the process didn't feel fair. I think you need better rules for it. Shouldn't be acceptable to suggest only civ counters and refuse 12/14 mirrors.
Having said that the civ dance was fun too. Who doesn't love banter
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09 Sep 2019, 09:01

Goodspeed wrote:
edeholland wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:It was actually fun tbh. Made me want to play Sioux more. Shame they're about to rework the civ again :chinese:

Expected a little more solidarity in the civ selection in g1 though. Here I am having played like 3 games in the last 2 years and being forced to play either an India mirror, a match up I've never liked and you undoubtedly know very well, or blind pick...
I also understand Wicked doesn't want to risk anything in the first game. I guess nobody really knew how you would perform.
Regardless the process didn't feel fair. I think you need better rules for it. Shouldn't be acceptable to suggest only civ counters and refuse 12/14 mirrors.
Having said that the civ dance was fun too. Who doesn't love banter
Maybe there should be the option to pick "mirror" in a blind pick where you just mirror whatever the opponent has chosen. This would favour those that do want to play mirrors but that doesn't sound less unfair than forcing a blind pick. Of course, if both players do this, they are assigned a random mirror matchup which may be problematic.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:06

Goodspeed wrote:It was actually fun tbh. Made me want to play Sioux more. Shame they're about to rework the civ again :chinese:

Expected a little more solidarity in the civ selection in g1 though. Here I am having played like 3 games in the last 2 years and being forced to play either an India mirror, a match up I've never liked and you undoubtedly know very well, or blind pick...


sioux is so much fun :D please stop zoo!
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09 Sep 2019, 09:11

edeholland wrote:
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Regardless the process didn't feel fair. I think you need better rules for it. Shouldn't be acceptable to suggest only civ counters and refuse 12/14 mirrors.
Having said that the civ dance was fun too. Who doesn't love banter
Maybe there should be the option to pick "mirror" in a blind pick where you just mirror whatever the opponent has chosen. This would favour those that do want to play mirrors but that doesn't sound less unfair than forcing a blind pick. Of course, if both players do this, they are assigned a random mirror matchup which may be problematic.
Well the thing is I don't even like mirrors either, but the rules basically force them because any non-mirror match up that gets suggested is typically good for one side. You'll note we started by picking non-mirrors but it quickly became clear that wasn't gonna work. Iirc the only non-counter that was suggested was Jap vs India. Like am I really supposed to play into his Dutch with French on a no TP map? I don't think Sioux vs Russia on no TP is bad for Russia either, I thought I was being generous there but it was refused as well.

Maybe it would be easier on TP maps come to think of it.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:14

Goodspeed wrote:
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Maybe there should be the option to pick "mirror" in a blind pick where you just mirror whatever the opponent has chosen. This would favour those that do want to play mirrors but that doesn't sound less unfair than forcing a blind pick. Of course, if both players do this, they are assigned a random mirror matchup which may be problematic.
Well the thing is I don't even like mirrors either, but the rules basically force them because any non-mirror match up that gets suggested is typically good for one side. You'll note we started by picking non-mirrors but it quickly became clear that wasn't gonna work. Iirc the only non-counter that was suggested was Jap vs India. Like am I really supposed to play into his Dutch with French on a no TP map? I don't think Sioux vs Russia on no TP is bad for Russia either, I thought I was being generous there but it was refused as well.

Maybe it would be easier on TP maps come to think of it.
Isn't the game overall more balance on TP maps nowadays? It would make sense that it would make the process easier. Especially since Wicked mostly proposed matchups where you would get a tp-dependant civ. Maybe we should make sure the first map is always a fair & balanced one (so one without water and with TP's).
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Netherlands Goodspeed
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09 Sep 2019, 09:16

It would've helped in this case, but either way this rule set seems to favor players who insist on a match up that is good for them. Like regardless you shouldn't be allowed to refuse 12/14 mirrors imo.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:19

why not. blind pick seems fairer to me than to be forced into a mirror u dont want to play.
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Netherlands Goodspeed
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09 Sep 2019, 09:20

Blind pick has no place in competitive AoE3. Should never be an option
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09 Sep 2019, 09:22

Ideally the issue of counterpicking wouldn't arise if game was balanced, cuz then all civs would be relatively similar. The MU would then be decided on players playstyle and strategy which would be ideal.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:23

Goodspeed wrote:Blind pick has no place in competitive AoE3. Should never be an option


forcing a mirror has no place either imo. forcing any mu tbh has no place. i'd rather be forced to lock into sioux vs india on no tp than to be forced into an india mirror.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:27

princeofcarthage wrote:Ideally the issue of counterpicking wouldn't arise if game was balanced, cuz then all civs would be relatively similar. The MU would then be decided on players playstyle and strategy which would be ideal.
You would have the exact same issue.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:30

instead of blind pick, could have players list 5 mu's they'd play. and then see if any are the same.
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09 Sep 2019, 09:32

umeu wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:Blind pick has no place in competitive AoE3. Should never be an option
forcing a mirror has no place either imo. forcing any mu tbh has no place. i'd rather be forced to lock into sioux vs india on no tp than to be forced into an india mirror.
How else do you make sure it's fair? Non-mirror suggestions are just civ counter after civ counter. And if the players refuse every remotely even match up suggested, how do you deal with that?
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09 Sep 2019, 09:36

why sign up on a tourney when you don't intend to practice at all, but then be impossible to negotiate with on a MU?

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