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United States of America HeadKilla
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01 Oct 2019, 22:56

WickedCossack wrote:Best coaching is through screen share if you have a good set up that can handle it. I've done this a few times and its very fun if the person is actually interested in improving, random strat talk after a game honnestly does very little for under pr30's.

exactly

Things went better than expected with Coach Callen today. We won our first game as Russia against Brits pretty easy. Then I lost to Otto pretty hard. But after that I won 4 more games in a row all with Russia using Coach Callen's advise received so far.

All in all, Callen is a great coach. He was energetic and upbeat. Never seemed to rush me but was firm and assertive with orders during the games. We did use Discord screen sharing while on a phone call so that was so much easier than expected. I believe the lesson lasted about an hour and we got three games in during that time. I would like to do another lesson but next time have another player with us so that we can get more games in faster and perhaps Coach can give tips for both of us.

I tried to pay Callen but he would not accept. I then said I want another lesson and he said we will have to figure out an arrangement. I was thinking $10-$15/hr but we never discussed it actually. 1 hour flew by too fast so I would like to schedule a 2 hour lesson for next time with 2 of us getting coached.
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01 Oct 2019, 23:32

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02 Oct 2019, 05:43

For those wondering:

Coaching session included a warm up versus an AI, and an educational pause to discuss macro - that although current res is good (read: low), it incorporates more: that is, the amount of villagers on each res. While macro is good, it won't be good in 30 seconds. See - "where to look during a match."

Basic fundamentals like villager production and resource expenditure were discussed, as well as hotkey optimization to better accomplish this goal, and we got headkilla's find TC hotkey working properly - to only snap there if it's pressed twice.

We went over how to collect crates and why. Simple age 1 optimization can speed up a 5 coss shipment by 20 seconds, and that can be huge. It's not hard to do.

Basic card order was established and why (see: goodspeed's guide when regarding eco upgrades, resource crates, and unit shipments).

What's important is to not throw the gamut of optimizations on a player at once, but rather, ascertain weaknesses, and pirotize them with an ease:effectiveness ratio, so as to make the most gains with the littlest effort. And after that, introduce new mechanics/ideas.

For all recipients of coaching: practice makes perfect. Just as consistency is the most crucial factor in physical fitness, so it is in every skill, hobby. At the end of the day, in the words of Vic Ketchman, "players make plays." It doesn't matter how good the scheme is if individuals can't execute. That's a thing of smart repetition.

Coaching can be absolutely replaced by very diligent self study - but that's why it's a commodity. I've spent 300 hours reading true and bullshit fitness forums, and deciphered them. Personal trainers have too and more. I've spent 3k hours in aoe. That's why these services exist, because it's simply just a lot to understand yourself what to do, and why, and what not to do, and why, and where to go from there. Anecdotalism is in that sense, not such a bad thing. Insights (mental cues) can be expedited in the subject, but it's still a 2-way street. That's also part of the coach's job: motivate a willing motivatee, until he can grow beyond.

High PR doesn't necessarily correlate to teaching effectiveness, I'm sure @WickedCossack knows that as a career teacher. On just a random tangent: teaching is composed of a different skill set. Perhaps why it interests me is because my family is composed of teachers, and I am attempting to return to school to teach afterwards as an aspiration. It's rewarding to do the above, and most so, to accomplish it.

All professors have favorite students, for the reasons stated. That's why it's also in the student's favor to try.
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United States of America HeadKilla
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02 Oct 2019, 11:44

I am looking for another player to join my coaching lesson with Coach Callen. I am PR 16ish ATM and would like someone PR20ish to practice with while Callen observes and provides us both with coaching during and after the games. Probably last 1-2 hours. Hopefully, it will be on a weekday morning, but coach has not seen the morning sun in many months so probably around 3pm CST. The day and time details will be worked out over the coming days.

Please reply if you are interested in joining my coaching session with Callen and I will be forever thankful.
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02 Oct 2019, 11:54

HeadKilla wrote:I am looking for another player to join my coaching lesson with Coach Callen. I am PR 16ish ATM and would like someone PR20ish to practice with while Callen observes and provides us both with coaching during and after the games. Probably last 1-2 hours. Hopefully, it will be on a weekday morning, but coach has not seen the morning sun in many months so probably around 3pm CST. The day and time details will be worked out over the coming days.

Please reply if you are interested in joining my coaching session with Callen and I will be forever thankful.

I’d be down if you don’t mind 8-10pm CST.
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02 Oct 2019, 12:13

occamslightsaber wrote:
HeadKilla wrote:I am looking for another player to join my coaching lesson with Coach Callen. I am PR 16ish ATM and would like someone PR20ish to practice with while Callen observes and provides us both with coaching during and after the games. Probably last 1-2 hours. Hopefully, it will be on a weekday morning, but coach has not seen the morning sun in many months so probably around 3pm CST. The day and time details will be worked out over the coming days.

Please reply if you are interested in joining my coaching session with Callen and I will be forever thankful.

I’d be down if you don’t mind 8-10pm CST.


Thank you for your interest.
I don't usually stay awake that late these days and prefer mornings. However, I am still awaiting coach to determine what would work best with his schedule so that just may be the time we go with.
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02 Oct 2019, 14:46

not good you let callen coach you. Gives that guy another excuse to dodge me.
breeze wrote:they cant even guess how much f***ing piece of stupid retarded they look they are trying to give lesson to people who are over pr35 and know the best mu. im pretty sure that we need a page that only pr30+ post and then we could have a nice discussins.
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02 Oct 2019, 14:47

lordraphael wrote:not good you let callen coach you. Gives that guy another excuse to dodge me.

To be fair, it appears to me that just about everyone dodges you. :cry:
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03 Oct 2019, 00:35

How can you dodge someone who's always afk
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03 Oct 2019, 03:41

SirCallen wrote:For those wondering:

Coaching session included a warm up versus an AI, and an educational pause to discuss macro - that although current res is good (read: low), it incorporates more: that is, the amount of villagers on each res. While macro is good, it won't be good in 30 seconds. See - "where to look during a match."

Basic fundamentals like villager production and resource expenditure were discussed, as well as hotkey optimization to better accomplish this goal, and we got headkilla's find TC hotkey working properly - to only snap there if it's pressed twice.

We went over how to collect crates and why. Simple age 1 optimization can speed up a 5 coss shipment by 20 seconds, and that can be huge. It's not hard to do.

Basic card order was established and why (see: goodspeed's guide when regarding eco upgrades, resource crates, and unit shipments).

What's important is to not throw the gamut of optimizations on a player at once, but rather, ascertain weaknesses, and pirotize them with an ease:effectiveness ratio, so as to make the most gains with the littlest effort. And after that, introduce new mechanics/ideas.

For all recipients of coaching: practice makes perfect. Just as consistency is the most crucial factor in physical fitness, so it is in every skill, hobby. At the end of the day, in the words of Vic Ketchman, "players make plays." It doesn't matter how good the scheme is if individuals can't execute. That's a thing of smart repetition.

Coaching can be absolutely replaced by very diligent self study - but that's why it's a commodity. I've spent 300 hours reading true and bullshit fitness forums, and deciphered them. Personal trainers have too and more. I've spent 3k hours in aoe. That's why these services exist, because it's simply just a lot to understand yourself what to do, and why, and what not to do, and why, and where to go from there. Anecdotalism is in that sense, not such a bad thing. Insights (mental cues) can be expedited in the subject, but it's still a 2-way street. That's also part of the coach's job: motivate a willing motivatee, until he can grow beyond.

High PR doesn't necessarily correlate to teaching effectiveness, I'm sure @WickedCossack knows that as a career teacher. On just a random tangent: teaching is composed of a different skill set. Perhaps why it interests me is because my family is composed of teachers, and I am attempting to return to school to teach afterwards as an aspiration. It's rewarding to do the above, and most so, to accomplish it.

All professors have favorite students, for the reasons stated. That's why it's also in the student's favor to try.


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03 Oct 2019, 14:07

Its not really coaching. But this reminded me of The Day i brought some random pr22 guy? Into our clan.
Tbh i just thought he had an op nick name. So good he used it tiwce.
He was just an abitiousless boy at the time. Roumor has it he just want ed help with his spanish home work.
However that changed quickly and things spiraled out of control.
Before u knew it kid was recking university internet conecttions to fix ftj.
He later became president of aoe.
Be carefull what u start here. Ur actions May have consequences that will impact more than u think.
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03 Oct 2019, 15:09

im pretty sure @Challe wrote that post
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03 Oct 2019, 15:16

Victor_swe wrote:Its not really coaching. But this reminded me of The Day i brought some random pr22 guy? Into our clan.
Tbh i just thought he had an op nick name. So good he used it tiwce.
He was just an abitiousless boy at the time. Roumor has it he just want ed help with his spanish home work.
However that changed quickly and things spiraled out of control.
Before u knew it kid was recking university internet conecttions to fix ftj.
He later became president of aoe.
Be carefull what u start here. Ur actions May have consequences that will impact more than u think.


LOL... I’d forgotten about the school internet part. Good memory
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03 Oct 2019, 15:47

I am still looking for a sparring partner in the PR20ish range. It will be 2 hours of games with Coach Callen watching and providing in game advice and post game analysis. We are open on day and time, but really prefer weekday between 13-19 GMT. I plan on playing Russia and would like to get better against Otto and learn to deal with hand cavalry better.
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03 Oct 2019, 15:48

I can play but I think I might be just over the level unfortunately
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03 Oct 2019, 15:54

Riotcoke wrote:I can play but I think I might be just over the level unfortunately

Yeah, we already tried that before and it did not go so well. Thank you though for the offer. Maybe in a couple days after another lesson (2 tops) I will be to your level @Riotcoke and then we can try again :P

EDIT: Or if you drop LSD 1 hour before we start it will be more fun for me.
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03 Oct 2019, 16:09

HeadKilla wrote:
Riotcoke wrote:I can play but I think I might be just over the level unfortunately

Yeah, we already tried that before and it did not go so well. Thank you though for the offer. Maybe in a couple days after another lesson (2 tops) I will be to your level @Riotcoke and then we can try again :P

EDIT: Or if you drop LSD 1 hour before we start it will be more fun for me.

Yeah sure I'll take a tab on the weekend and give you a message
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03 Oct 2019, 17:43

@Shikari let me know if you have a day and time available to do this.

@raptiformica also if you wish to join me, let me know what day would be best.
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04 Oct 2019, 03:21

I'm PR 23 and mostly play French and a bit of China. If that interests you, I could make it between 13-16 GMT on most weekdays.
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07 Oct 2019, 04:45

I'm down, I'm pr 22-23. In NA CST (-6) will be available the next couple of days. @HeadKilla
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07 Oct 2019, 15:53

@HeadKilla I think with my pr 22-23 I am also in your range! My main and so far only Civ that I play: France. So if you're looking for a 'France Bot' as a sparring partner, let me know... Maybe we can have some games on Thursday?

@demon_ & @Thrar
If you both also want to play some games, just text me!
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09 Oct 2019, 20:52

samwise12 wrote:im pretty sure @Challe wrote that post


What the hell is going on in here bruv
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09 Oct 2019, 20:53

rnmrtzk wrote:@HeadKilla I think with my pr 22-23 I am also in your range! My main and so far only Civ that I play: France. So if you're looking for a 'France Bot' as a sparring partner, let me know... Maybe we can have some games on Thursday?

@demon_ & @Thrar
If you both also want to play some games, just text me!



Hey can I join your gamings? My englando not best but it iz ok me thinko. We can do even 3v3 i show you my spainiard skills jejeje
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09 Oct 2019, 20:54

@Challe go away you noob
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13 Oct 2019, 15:47

I can pay u garja for some coaching session

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