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24 Mar 2020, 16:42

i'd like to know how weeeeak germany is on EP7
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24 Mar 2020, 16:45

vividlyplain wrote:i'd like to know how weeeeak germany is on EP7

It's average now.
People think it's weak because it used to have good winning chances in every MU and now Germany has bad MUs.
It's slightly weaker than the top civs (Brit, Japan, France etc) but still better than the UP civs (Aztec, Sioux, Spain and arguably Port). That's the definition of average.
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24 Mar 2020, 16:46

Port UP?

well they're hella good compared to RE port hmm
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24 Mar 2020, 16:50

iNcog wrote:Port UP?

well they're hella good compared to RE port hmm

That's why I said arguably. I'm not totally sure about that, but I think that 5% on food is worse than 85f vills and Port was UP on normal maps with 85f vills.
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24 Mar 2020, 16:52

[Armag] diarouga wrote:
iNcog wrote:Port UP?

well they're hella good compared to RE port hmm

That's why I said arguably. I'm not totally sure about that, but I think that 5% on food is worse than 85f vills and Port was UP on normal maps with 85f vills.

I wouldnt know either. hmm. I dont even play them properly but if you have enough food to support your TCs seems they're competitive. and they suck terribly if not.

unlike Spain that can get out a few good units even without using up natural ressources too much

fuck idk
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24 Mar 2020, 17:48

vividlyplain wrote:i'd like to know how weeeeak germany is on EP7


Give me the date of ep7 and i can do that, but not sure if its worth it because it will be a short period.
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24 Mar 2020, 17:51

Chinese vs Spanish.
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24 Mar 2020, 18:27

I may say french/german vs japan here: it's even worse than that in RE, while people didn't realize this.

everyone is saying "japan is not OP here""french/german is the meta", but everyone uses japan in incog's cup. Yumi with 10% attack bonus still beats skirm hard, while fre/get suffer more from fast age up/dragoon/uhlan HP/crate nerfs.
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24 Mar 2020, 18:31

fei123456 wrote:I may say french/german vs japan here: it's even worse than that in RE, while people didn't realize this.

everyone is saying "japan is not OP here""french/german is the meta", but everyone uses japan in incog's cup.

Japan is still OP, we saw it in the @iNcog´s empire cup. tbh maybe the winrate is the highest with japan in this cup if some1 has time to look for it
Just play spain and win :P
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24 Mar 2020, 18:33

Japan is a bit too strong because of the deck buff yea. France vs Japan is still France favoured imo.
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24 Mar 2020, 18:35

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Japan is a bit too strong because of the deck buff yea. France vs Japan is still France favoured imo.

its hard to win vs japan when they still have more ranged artillery as france idk sometimes u just lose with good skirm/goon micro cuz of speedy ashis.
would need some tips vs japan
Just play spain and win :P
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24 Mar 2020, 18:38

Rohbrot wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Japan is a bit too strong because of the deck buff yea. France vs Japan is still France favoured imo.

its hard to win vs japan when they still have more ranged artillery as france idk sometimes u just lose with good skirm/goon micro cuz of speedy ashis.
would need some tips vs japan

With good skirm/goon micro you beat ashi/nagi. The issue is that you need the perfect balance of skirm/goon to deal with ashi/nagi, and you lose if you get surprised by a 2 arrow shipment, but you can't scout it anymore because of the deck change.
If he goes yumiWall with FA, you can kill all his shrines and then push with falc/culv and jap is actually weak in art wars because no culvs.
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24 Mar 2020, 18:39

Rohbrot wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Japan is a bit too strong because of the deck buff yea. France vs Japan is still France favoured imo.

its hard to win vs japan when they still have more ranged artillery as france idk sometimes u just lose with good skirm/goon micro cuz of speedy ashis.
would need some tips vs japan

With spain caba/skirm/mousket (but not for long its looks like).
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24 Mar 2020, 18:55

chronique wrote:
Wipo82 wrote:other interesting stats are the difference between rush games and long games.

for brits vs french i got these results.

< 20min : 47%
20-40min : 48%
> 40min : 33%

If you want to win with brits against french don't wait until age 5 :smile:


I have do that with china and if i remember well, their winrate increased after 12/13 min (maybe you can confirm).



according to stats you should rush with brits against chinese.
< 20min : 50%
20-40min : 40%
> 40min : 42%
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24 Mar 2020, 19:10

20 min is not "rush" and its not what the stat said ^^. Correlation =/= causality.
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24 Mar 2020, 20:34

chronique wrote:
vividlyplain wrote:i'd like to know how weeeeak germany is on EP7


Give me the date of ep7 and i can do that, but not sure if its worth it because it will be a short period.


https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php ... 94#p404335

according to the above post that would be Dec 09/2019

you'd need to compare it to prior EPs i guess
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24 Mar 2020, 20:54

vividlyplain wrote:
chronique wrote:
vividlyplain wrote:i'd like to know how weeeeak germany is on EP7


Give me the date of ep7 and i can do that, but not sure if its worth it because it will be a short period.


https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php ... 94#p404335

according to the above post that would be Dec 09/2019

you'd need to compare it to prior EPs i guess


I can do that
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24 Mar 2020, 22:31

Rohbrot wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Japan is a bit too strong because of the deck buff yea. France vs Japan is still France favoured imo.

its hard to win vs japan when they still have more ranged artillery as france idk sometimes u just lose with good skirm/goon micro cuz of speedy ashis.
would need some tips vs japan

700g 700w 6 skirm no eco FF is viable now, as the exalted prince gets nerfed. Eco is not that important against Japan: you can't outboom Japan, and you don't need to outboom him.
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24 Mar 2020, 22:33

fei123456 wrote:
Rohbrot wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Japan is a bit too strong because of the deck buff yea. France vs Japan is still France favoured imo.

its hard to win vs japan when they still have more ranged artillery as france idk sometimes u just lose with good skirm/goon micro cuz of speedy ashis.
would need some tips vs japan

700g 700w 6 skirm no eco FF is viable now, as the exalted prince gets nerfed. Eco is not that important against Japan: you can't outboom Japan, and you don't need to outboom him.

You can outboom Japan actually.
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24 Mar 2020, 23:10

[Armag] diarouga wrote:You can outboom Japan actually.

The thing is, if French invest too much on eco, he'll have to face fortress Japanese units with colonial xbow/musk.
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24 Mar 2020, 23:21

fei123456 wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:You can outboom Japan actually.

The thing is, if French invest too much on eco, he'll have to face fortress Japanese units with colonial xbow/musk.

Why ? You semi ff and still have a good eco.
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25 Mar 2020, 15:06

vividlyplain wrote:
chronique wrote:
vividlyplain wrote:i'd like to know how weeeeak germany is on EP7


Give me the date of ep7 and i can do that, but not sure if its worth it because it will be a short period.


https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php ... 94#p404335

according to the above post that would be Dec 09/2019

you'd need to compare it to prior EPs i guess

Its done and there are not enought data to detect any significant difference (in some mu there are 24 games played since the beginning of ep 7 lol).
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25 Mar 2020, 22:14

would be cool to see this used to maybe update that old guide by @Goodspeed

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