Lakota (Sioux) and Haudenosaunee (Iroquois).

[EAGLEMUT]

Honestly, I would not be surprised if in the future the game rolls out DLC civs similar to how AOE:O handled it.

That's never gonna happen. MS did a whole presentation on how that was the worst business decision they've ever made for AoE and how it killed the game from a business standpoint, leading to the ultimate shutdown of official AoEO servers.

You need to disclose whatever secret information you have about topics like this

The presentation is publicly available: https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1019303/F ... ng-Way-Age

[fightinfrenchman]

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Honestly, I would not be surprised if in the future the game rolls out DLC civs similar to how AOE:O handled it.

That's never gonna happen. MS did a whole presentation on how that was the worst business decision they've ever made for AoE and how it killed the game from a business standpoint, leading to the ultimate shutdown of official AoEO servers.

You need to disclose whatever secret information you have about topics like this

The presentation is publicly available: https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1019303/F ... ng-Way-Age

Does Alt+D still work or what?

[aaryngend]

Ye I remember the business model failure that was aoe:o.
In the end, the game became decent and you could go by without spending a single penny, but it was too costly to provide new content so it wasn't worth it at all. Gas Powered Games got screwed over bigtime.

[howlingwolfpaw]

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Well ofc. I remember learning about when China settled California, and India and Japan battled it out over Texas.

Yup, whole game takes place in America.

I also distinctly recall Siberia and Borneo being somewhere along the east coast.

They were added by Big Huge Games to cash out on the game and its expansions. I know that Japan, China and India had close to no business being in the game, the game originally was only about Europeans colonizing America. Once the asian civs were put in, they had to bring in some maps located in Asia (Honshu, Ceylon, etc.)

Surely if they really wanted to appease the pc culture. They would have implemented an african civilisation with Black skin color to diversify the game. I'm still sour we have no Mali in game.

I agree, I think originally they did not want to touch that subject, but I think denying it now is the elephant in the room. I wanted some African Civs.

African civs make no sense historically, as they didn't expand their colonies like the europeans did. The natives are only in the game because the whole game takes place in America.

But we have asian dynastie, and europeans had a lot of interaction with african country, like they have with asian.

I know the Dutch, the French, etc. colonized Africa too. But the game is not taking place in Africa nor are any african nations involved.

the Game can expand like it has. from Euro To the Americas to Asia, its a tragedy to miss out on one of the largest land masses of the Earth that too had much expansion. And whos slavery built up the new world.

Africa is much more relevant to the Americas than India or Japan or even China.

yea that's true but there's no way the devs are going to want to deal with making African chattel slavery an ingame feature that is both historically accurate and also not insensitive. In fact I don't think there's actually a way to do it satisfactorily. WoL has the USA civ with slaves and it's just super cringey and weird tbh.

I do not want slaves in the game, but I do not see how like the zulu empire could not be included.

[Squamiger]

this is my final thought on the question of whether the changes to Iroquois and Sioux are "politically motivated", or done for "pc reasons", vs. the idea that they were just done for historical accuracy:

These two things are not a dichotomy. The decision is both political and also done for historical accuracy at the same time. Historical accuracy is inherently political. It is impossible for the intepretation and representation of past societies in art to NOT be political. There was a political context to the original representations of the Sioux and Iroquois, which is different from the political context of the current changes. There's no such thing as neutral, or apolitical history.

The way I see it, all the civs are historically innaccurate in a certain way-- cannons pushed by 1 guy, guys with little bucklers and swords countering heavy cavalry, etc. But the Sioux and Iro civs were particularly bad, in that they incorporated a variety of "magical" elements into what is supposed to be a game based on real time periods. So fixing the fire pit and animal conversion just brings the Sioux and Iro up to par, making them as historically innaccurate as the rest of the civs. As for gold mining... I don't know if the person who decided that is the be-all end-all expert on Native Americans, and I actually think that mining might have existed in north America more than people assume. But I'm fine with the change if it can be made balanced.

i think in terms of whether these changes affect balance, we just have to wait and see

[fei123456]

But in dances with wolves the lakotas just dance around a firepit

[TNT333]

Casters better prepare for another tongue twister

[dansil92]

Casters better prepare for another tongue twister

Because Macehualtin and landskneckt are ez to say

[fightinfrenchman]

Casters better prepare for another tongue twister

Because Macehualtin and landskneckt are ez to say

This reminds me, we're due for a new thread on Basement specific pronunciations of AoE 3 words

[jap_jon]

This reminds me, we're due for a new thread on Basement specific pronunciations of AoE 3 words

Will it involve audio?

[aaryngend]

Casters better prepare for another tongue twister

Because Macehualtin and landskneckt are ez to say

Landsknecht is actually easy to say. The problem is that people who are not native speakers just forget how to pronounce it.

Phonetic symbols: [ˈlantsknɛçt]

[Squamiger]

Casters better prepare for another tongue twister

Because Macehualtin and landskneckt are ez to say

Landsknecht is actually easy to say. The problem is that people who are not native speakers just forget how to pronounce it.

Phonetic symbols: [ˈlantsknɛçt]

so are loads of words in spanish and native languages that people butcher lol. easy to say but mispronounced because people aren't familiar with it. Mendocino is men-do-SEE-no, and i dont think i've heard a caster get that one right

[knusch]

seems like the only proposal to rename shit not to be considered was mine. still gonna be hazztecs as far as im concerned

[BrookG]

I wanna drop this here

[_NT_sven]

They should also prolong Yumiarcher’s attack anime, to make it more historical.

[kevthegooner]

Well said this.

And I would only pile on and ask why "Aztec" wasn't also renamed to "Mexica"

Nahuatl: Mēxihcah, Nahuatl pronunciation: [meːˈʃiʔkaʔ] ( listen); singular Mēxihcatl [meːˈʃiʔkat͡ɬ]

this is my final thought on the question of whether the changes to Iroquois and Sioux are "politically motivated", or done for "pc reasons", vs. the idea that they were just done for historical accuracy:

These two things are not a dichotomy. The decision is both political and also done for historical accuracy at the same time. Historical accuracy is inherently political. It is impossible for the intepretation and representation of past societies in art to NOT be political. There was a political context to the original representations of the Sioux and Iroquois, which is different from the political context of the current changes. There's no such thing as neutral, or apolitical history.

The way I see it, all the civs are historically innaccurate in a certain way-- cannons pushed by 1 guy, guys with little bucklers and swords countering heavy cavalry, etc. But the Sioux and Iro civs were particularly bad, in that they incorporated a variety of "magical" elements into what is supposed to be a game based on real time periods. So fixing the fire pit and animal conversion just brings the Sioux and Iro up to par, making them as historically innaccurate as the rest of the civs. As for gold mining... I don't know if the person who decided that is the be-all end-all expert on Native Americans, and I actually think that mining might have existed in north America more than people assume. But I'm fine with the change if it can be made balanced.

i think in terms of whether these changes affect balance, we just have to wait and see

[Rohbrot]

Tbh, we shouldnt discuss that much cuz the names of 2 native civs changed and should hope that DE will bring new meta, players, tourneys and updates.

[I_HaRRiiSoN_I]

I wonder if we will finally get some female cdb's, ..... i'm asking on behalf of a mate of mine

[dansil92]

I wonder if we will finally get some female cdb's, ..... i'm asking on behalf of a mate of mine

Cdb always seemed to me like france was supposed to be like really metis focused, then they just like, didn't do that

[oxaloacetate]

I wonder if we will finally get some female cdb's, ..... i'm asking on behalf of a mate of mine

Haha imagine how much of a P.C. change this would have appeared

[Sargsyan]

They should've gotten gibthedurrty to do this he is actually native.

[aaryngend]

They should've gotten gibthedurrty to do this he is actually native.

Is he?

[Sargsyan]

yes

[gibson]

Theres only one huge problem I see with the beta and it will probably be fixed before release.

[kevthegooner]

This change alone would make AOE3-users eclipse AOE2

I wonder if we will finally get some female cdb's, ..... i'm asking on behalf of a mate of mine