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17 Oct 2020, 11:03

sweden is like playing with 10% handicap
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17 Oct 2020, 11:10

Hawk_Girl wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Probably just abus/jan


jan abus age 2 beats sweden ff?

Jan abus can always be turned into a semi, besides how does sweden just ff against jan abus pressure
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17 Oct 2020, 11:11

Kaiserklein wrote:
Hawk_Girl wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Probably just abus/jan


jan abus age 2 beats sweden ff?

Jan abus can always be turned into a semi, besides how does sweden just ff against jan abus pressure


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17 Oct 2020, 12:22

Kaiserklein wrote:
Hawk_Girl wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:Probably just abus/jan


jan abus age 2 beats sweden ff?

Jan abus can always be turned into a semi, besides how does sweden just ff against jan abus pressure


idk was thinking similar to fre?
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17 Oct 2020, 12:27

idk has anyone actually played that MU at a high level
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17 Oct 2020, 12:29

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Jan abus can always be turned into a semi, besides how does sweden just ff against jan abus pressure


LeathercannonW

Don't they lose to abus?
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17 Oct 2020, 12:35

Of course.
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17 Oct 2020, 12:35

Hazza54321 wrote:idk has anyone actually played that MU at a high level

Played it once.
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17 Oct 2020, 12:36

solid conclusions then :D
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17 Oct 2020, 12:42

I wonder if Garja still thinks swedens are weak haha
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17 Oct 2020, 12:43

Hazza54321 wrote:solid conclusions then :D

It's not even about that game but it sounds quite obvious. You have no way to fight jan/abus in age 2, and you have no skirm/goon in age 3 so it's tough.
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17 Oct 2020, 12:45

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Jan abus can always be turned into a semi, besides how does sweden just ff against jan abus pressure


idk was thinking similar to fre?

France is faster though, and they can add bows, and have cdbs. Sweden is kinda forced to rely on the 8 bows and 2 cannons (which just don't do much vs abus) as their anti infantry. They have the tower though so I guess they might be able to hold and age, but meanwhile otto gets stagecoach and they can also age. And gl dealing with abus in fort when you can't prod skirms and don't have time for jaegers
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17 Oct 2020, 12:47

France have cbd and you don't have skirms ye.
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17 Oct 2020, 12:51

_DB_ wrote:Can China FF beat Sweden?

Wasn't working for me so far but maybe my macro was just bad. Mass caroleans seem to beat comparable numbers of changdao+arquebus and Sweden has the better eco so can't wait too long.
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17 Oct 2020, 12:59

Kaiserklein wrote:
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idk was thinking similar to fre?

France is faster though, and they can add bows, and have cdbs. Sweden is kinda forced to rely on the 8 bows and 2 cannons (which just don't do much vs abus) as their anti infantry. They have the tower though so I guess they might be able to hold and age, but meanwhile otto gets stagecoach and they can also age. And gl dealing with abus in fort when you can't prod skirms and don't have time for jaegers


I guess yea but tp+torp start and maybe 5 caros to poke/delay jans killing tp for stage, similar to french 5 musk semi. semi vs semi or semi vs jan/abus at least seem better for sweden than age 2 vs age 2.
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17 Oct 2020, 13:05

5 musks semi doesn't do anything vs a proper jan/abus semi though. He just gets the whole TP line, pressures your base and ages up barely later than you with more units
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17 Oct 2020, 13:07

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17 Oct 2020, 13:09

breeze wrote:I wonder if Garja still thinks swedens are weak haha

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17 Oct 2020, 14:27

:biggrin:
The civ is easy af but it's still meh. Midgame you get something like Dutch eco if you get away with it, but you still have somewhat poor unit choice and have to rely on mass caroleans with many ups to beat more standard combos.
Anyway it's one of my main qs civs, if that answer the question.

The real question is, does Breeze think Ports are weak?
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17 Oct 2020, 14:53

The civ is not easy at all. If think you still don't understand that you have to herd the animals toward your mines to be efficient.
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17 Oct 2020, 14:57

Herding is hard nowadays? Come on, if this is the ONLY thing being "hard" about this civ ... then its not really hard.
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18 Oct 2020, 20:41

@Diarouga Maybe Black Rider FF can do some work vs jan abus?
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18 Oct 2020, 20:44

macacoalbino wrote:@Diarouga Maybe Black Rider FF can do some work vs jan abus?

No, black riders lose to both jans and abus.
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18 Oct 2020, 22:04

Starting with cavs, raiding and try to mix with some caroleans/leather cannons vs Jan/abus?
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18 Oct 2020, 22:53

feels like otto has to play perfectly meanwhile sweden can just dictate the game by running around with a huge mass of 90-res soft counter units that have 6 speed. If otto pushes your TC then abus get shredded by TC fire and tower. If otto doesn't sit on top of their fb they have to deal with a very mobile caro mass threatening to delete anything that pops from them. If otto sits on top of their fb they can't defend stagecoach and will have no eco, meanwhile sweden has one of the best 4-10 min booms in the game.

Head to head sweden can't win a fight but Sweden can just make sure a head to head fight never happens
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