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Canada vividlyplain
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21 Nov 2020, 13:57

scarm wrote:
helln00 wrote:Those kinds of questions can be a bit of an advantage since they encourage self sorting amongst the participants. I also dont think that its meant ot be answering for the right/left divide but the national/international divide. U can have nationalistic lefties

No you can't, not in the sense you mean it in this kind of theory. Being economically left but culturally right wing or even nationalistic would put you in the upper left corner. That is the point of the typology, the old left-right cleavage does not fully explain modern electorates, so we need to divide ideology into an economic and a cultural dimension.

@vividlyplain So answering the question "would you always support your country" with yes places you further on the culturally conservative axis. And no there are not people both on the (economical) left and right that would answer that question with yes BECAUSE this only corresponds to the auth-lib axis not the left-right axis. Put in another way this question has nothing to do with economy , and therefore only places you on the y-axis, not the x-axis.

The point of a grid like that is precisely to overcome the linear dichotomy of left and right. You can essentially score what you want by realising whether a question is an economical or a cultural one and which pole it corresponds with, hence why i was able to easily stay in the middle economically speaking and reach the highest possible cultural score.

The way the questions are worded is just imbecilic.
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European Union scarm
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21 Nov 2020, 14:01

The way the questions are worded is mostly scientific standard. Like it or not that is how it is. And if you do not have an education in a statistical or social science background you are frankly not apt to judge whether they are imbecilic or not.

That particular question is found word by word in the ISSP, the largest social science survey afaik.
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21 Nov 2020, 14:08

scarm wrote:The way the questions are worded is mostly scientific standard. Like it or not that is how it is. And if you do not have an education in a statistical or social science background you are frankly not apt to judge whether they are imbecilic or not.

That particular question is found word by word in the ISSP, the largest social science survey afaik.

That’s the kind of elitism I am here for. I can’t possibly get educated in something if I don’t pay for an overpriced degree on the topic. Cheers.
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21 Nov 2020, 14:12

I am sorry i would not have said that would you have not made it abundantly clear that you do not care in the slightest about the topic but prefer to stay ignorant and call something you obviously do not know the reasons for "imbecilic". I think i clarified that i in principle share your opinion on these questions being outdated, but think they have some merit for different reasons. Instead of reacting to these reasons you only repeated that the questions are stupid. What i am supposed to tell you? Write a dolan-length post on the methodology of writing surveys? I could do that, but it is shittons of work i'd rather not do if the person i am talking to most likely will not care anyways.
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21 Nov 2020, 14:14

vividlyplain wrote:
scarm wrote:The way the questions are worded is mostly scientific standard. Like it or not that is how it is. And if you do not have an education in a statistical or social science background you are frankly not apt to judge whether they are imbecilic or not.

That particular question is found word by word in the ISSP, the largest social science survey afaik.

That’s the kind of elitism I am here for. I can’t possibly get educated in something if I don’t pay for an overpriced degree on the topic. Cheers.


It doesn't have to be overpriced. For just $500 I'll give you a degree that says you're educated
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21 Nov 2020, 14:25

:hmm:

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I got Core Conservative on the Pew test, too @chris1089
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21 Nov 2020, 14:48

More or less just another middle retard.
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21 Nov 2020, 15:28

lejend wrote::hmm:

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I got Core Conservative on the Pew test, too @chris1089

Ye weird, because our liberty and nation scores are quite different.
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21 Nov 2020, 15:53

fightinfrenchman wrote:
vividlyplain wrote:
scarm wrote:The way the questions are worded is mostly scientific standard. Like it or not that is how it is. And if you do not have an education in a statistical or social science background you are frankly not apt to judge whether they are imbecilic or not.

That particular question is found word by word in the ISSP, the largest social science survey afaik.

That’s the kind of elitism I am here for. I can’t possibly get educated in something if I don’t pay for an overpriced degree on the topic. Cheers.


It doesn't have to be overpriced. For just $500 I'll give you a degree that says you're educated

Overpriced is subjective. If we are talking social sciences then I couldn’t even be paid to have my name on that degree.
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21 Nov 2020, 17:19

vividlyplain wrote:
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It doesn't have to be overpriced. For just $500 I'll give you a degree that says you're educated

Overpriced is subjective. If we are talking social sciences then I couldn’t even be paid to have my name on that degree.


If you wouldn't accept free money to get a social science degree then you are probably dumb tbh
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21 Nov 2020, 17:26

fightinfrenchman wrote:
vividlyplain wrote:
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Overpriced is subjective. If we are talking social sciences then I couldn’t even be paid to have my name on that degree.


If you wouldn't accept free money to get a social science degree then you are probably dumb tbh

So dumb I take everything written on the Internet literally.
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21 Nov 2020, 17:27

vividlyplain wrote:
fightinfrenchman wrote:
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If you wouldn't accept free money to get a social science degree then you are probably dumb tbh

So dumb I take everything written on the Internet literally.


You definitely shouldn't do that, people are often not literal on here
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28 Nov 2020, 18:10

Found a more interesting quiz:

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Seychelles SirCallen
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28 Nov 2020, 18:36

hm, isn't something betrayed in a test of fascism when it says what it's testing for? That influences the responses to questions, because I do not think fascist-leaning or fascist-enabling folks would identify as fascist or want to be identified as fascist.

To me, the Big F is something that folks irrationally fall into in certain circumstances, rather than an ideology that is consulted to answer hypotheticals. It takes root without seeming to. It's about the common enemy and the threatened in-group, the degradation of truth, and emphasis on power, and the gradual process of realizing that unreality. And so I don't think the quiz can simulate an anxious environment in which people succumb to fascism or identify with fascist elements.

Not saying you're an F-tier poster; these are my thoughts.
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Netherlands Mr_Bramboy
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28 Nov 2020, 19:48

SirCallen wrote:hm, isn't something betrayed in a test of fascism when it says what it's testing for? That influences the responses to questions, because I do not think fascist-leaning or fascist-enabling folks would identify as fascist or want to be identified as fascist.

Agree with this, that's the first thing I noticed when I saw the result. If you know what the elements of fascism are - this is taught in my country at least - you can obviously influence your answers. Being a supporter of Zwarte Piet is not fascist but you are definitely upholding traditional values. It all depends on the way the questions are phrased.
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Canada vividlyplain
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28 Nov 2020, 20:51

Which is similar to my issue with how blatantly biased the other quiz is, it’s very clear what political views the author holds and what they think of their views compared to others. If you can see through the intent behind how the statements are worded it can still be relatively accurate.
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01 Dec 2020, 13:53

lejend wrote:Found a more interesting quiz:

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I got a 43
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Argentina Jotunir
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03 Dec 2020, 01:32

Turns out I am a facist and I didn't knew :|
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