Blind Civ Showmatch Episode 4 - TheViper vs DauT

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Blind Civ Showmatch Episode 4 - TheViper vs DauT

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Image THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

I'm happy to announce that this Sunday, at 7pm GMT, Aussie Drongo will be casting two of the greatest AOE2 players of all time, DauT and TheViper, playing a one off AOE 3 show match, using the blind civ format!

As always, each player will pick their civ for each game totally blind to the other players' choice. On top of that, the scoring format will encourage the use of those civilisations seen less frequently at the highest level.

The match will be won by the first player to score 10 points, with the following points awarded for wins:

3 points

Aztecs, Haudenosaunee, Lakota, USA, Swedish, Chinese, Russian, Inca

2 points

Ottoman, Germans, French, Dutch, Portugese, Spain, Indian, Japanese, Brits

Let's do this!
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This will be a long series
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Haha this is amazing!
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Hah that's brilliant. Great work on organising this @EGCTV !
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Interesting
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Oh wow
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Love it!
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is this where Viper brings his quick walls to aoe 3?
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helln00 wrote:is this where Viper brings his quick walls to aoe 3?
Who needs viper when you have @Mitoe ?
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vividlyplain wrote:
helln00 wrote:is this where Viper brings his quick walls to aoe 3?
Who needs viper when you have @Mitoe ?
If only I were actually good at it... :oops:
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vividlyplain wrote:
helln00 wrote:is this where Viper brings his quick walls to aoe 3?
Who needs viper when you have @Mitoe ?
we need a @Mitoe vs Viper quick wall match
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So incredibly pumped for this. I'm a big fan of both players, I used to watch DauT back in the day and remember thinking it was the same guy as Ourk because their names looked so similar. DauT's Dutch was legit. Hope he brings it out again!
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Awesome, highly recommend @Aussie_Drongo to not put too many focus on what they should've done while casting. Like ofc they will pick wrong strats and stuff, just cast what you see imo
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Wow this is great, I didn't know these players actually still played AoE III! I remember both the guys as pros around 2007-2008 (iirc) though, DauT even going up against iamgrunt in tourneys and Viper being active on Agesanctuary. However, I thought they stuck to AoE II nowadays. What are your expectations for this match?
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Unless they play on msurfs off stream they dont currently play aoe3. Duat played aoe3 for about 2 weeks maybe early in the year when the game was a buggy mess and probably put him off. I guess with players with different expectations of how the game would be played to how it 'should' while having exceptionaly macro/micro, expect the unexpected
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Amazing!

What's the prize pool, btw? @EGCTV
Pedrownage wrote:Wow this is great, I didn't know these players actually still played AoE III! I remember both the guys as pros around 2007-2008 (iirc) though, DauT even going up against iamgrunt in tourneys and Viper being active on Agesanctuary. However, I thought they stuck to AoE II nowadays. What are your expectations for this match?
Daut did play in tourneys, TheViper never played AoE3 in the early days (except maybe a few games privately). The "Viper" on AgeSanc was a different guy from Australia. AoE2TheViper is from Norway.
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Says 500$ @Astaroth
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blackout wrote:Says 500$ @Astaroth
Sorry, didn't see the amount on the picture, ty.
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Any chance you might be able to get them (or winner) on for a brief 10-15 minute postseries chat with Drongo? Though I guess as they are recorded games they might not be around or mid aoe2 stream. :P
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This is amazing .
Such efforts bring more people to Aoe3
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Thanks for tuning in guys! I know it wasn’t quite the close fought slog many hoped for. Part of the gamble in trying these new formats and weird matches is that for every 9 game Kaiser-Knusch thriller there will be an unbalanced mismatch.

But that’s the fun and excitement in trying new things. And I’m gonna keep gambling on it so watch this space :)
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It was still a fun match. But tbh the one-sidedness was to be expected:

Daut has played like hundreds of games of legacy aoe3 in like 2005-2007 and another probably 100+ on DE. He was like pr 38+ on legacy. Even without any practice, he is probably like pr 25+ (1400+ elo?). With like 5-20 games of practice, he could be quite decent.

Viper on the other hand has played less than 50 games of aoe3, total. He basically doesn't know any build orders nor the civs. He is maybe pr 10-15 overall in legacy terms. Of course he could be much better if he studied BOs, trained etc.


(as somewhat of a Viper fanboy I also want to emphasise that he is quite good at SC2 as well, used to be GM or so, so his RTS talent is obviously not limited to aoe2; he just basically doesn't care about aoe3 at all)
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I'm still a bit disappointed he did not took the time to read a couple BOs for the civs he wanted to play... I would have thought those kinds of competitive players would tryhard at least a bit even outside their main game.
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The thing is, it doesn't really make sense for him.

He presumably doesn't really enjoy the game (otherwise he would play it more) and neither do his subscribers, so playing it a lot doesn't really make sense in terms of fun or economics.

And the showmatch itself was big by aoe3 standards, but not by aoe2 standards. E.g. Viper recently played a random showmatch (!) with silly fun settings for 5000 € in aoe2. So grinding or preparing a lot for a 500 $ match doesn't make much sense. Also since he is facing Daut who is much more experienced, so his chances of winning were slim anyway.
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@EGCTV when do we get the Breeze vs Kynesie only port mirror on water maps BO9? No training or shipping units in fortress allowed (obviously)

That is going to put butts into sleep seats

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