Arsenal & advanced arsenal discussion

[aligator92]

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I recently considered making a dedicated anti Sweden deck, so I can get the infantery speed upgrade in the late game

That is one of the better upgrades. Still, you must consider that you would be better off sending an upgrade card instead. For which civ are you making this deck?

Came to my mind when I was playing germany. I have the colonial cav upgrades in my standard deck but you don't really use those against Sweden. 3 Dopps is also questionable vs Sweden

Military drummers is nice and isn't so expensive (150 150 ). But you must also include the cost opportunity of a shipment and an arsenal(700 resources for an age 2 shipment + 250 ). it's very costly, just for 10% faster infantry.

Well I would only get it in late fortress when I have nothing else I want to send and by that time I will already have made the arsenal to get CIR. And given that Sweden will make nothing but Caroleans and artillery, the additional Speed on the skirms could prove to be more useful than a 9 Uhlan shipment. And the HP and Atk ups for Skirms is also nice when you have the eco to afford it.

[Jotunir]

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I recently considered making a dedicated anti Sweden deck, so I can get the infantery speed upgrade in the late game

That is one of the better upgrades. Still, you must consider that you would be better off sending an upgrade card instead. For which civ are you making this deck?

Came to my mind when I was playing germany. I have the colonial cav upgrades in my standard deck but you don't really use those against Sweden. 3 Dopps is also questionable vs Sweden

Military drummers is nice and isn't so expensive (150 150 ). But you must also include the cost opportunity of a shipment and an arsenal(700 resources for an age 2 shipment + 250 ). it's very costly, just for 10% faster infantry.

Well I would only get it in late fortress when I have nothing else I want to send and by that time I will already have made the arsenal to get CIR. And given that Sweden will make nothing but Caroleans and artillery, the additional Speed on the skirms could prove to be more useful than a 9 Uhlan shipment. And the HP and Atk ups for Skirms is also nice when you have the eco to afford it.

Then the shipment would still cost you 1000 resources because you are sending it on age 3. Skirm upgrades are nice, don't get me wrong, but I think that for that cost you can also build/send something else from the HC.

[harcha]

if you're going as far as to make decks for specific matchups and maps, then you can find the place for niche cards as you can guestimate which ones are not necessary. i don't see a problem with having a couple of lategame cards if you've considered the opportunity cost.

[Jotunir]

if you're going as far as to make decks for specific matchups and maps, then you can find the place for niche cards as you can guestimate which ones are not necessary. i don't see a problem with having a couple of lategame cards if you've considered the opportunity cost.

True, as a late game card it's indeed useful. I personally like AA, the problem is that for most of the game it's not cost effective to send it.

[helln00]

if you need speed on skirms against caro as ger, why not just send the church card and get tilly's discipline? its more speed then advanced arsenal, its "free" as long as you are only sending unit shipments and potentially you can get free merc shipments as well.

[aligator92]

if you need speed on skirms against caro as ger, why not just send the church card and get tilly's discipline? its more speed then advanced arsenal, its "free" as long as you are only sending unit shipments and potentially you can get free merc shipments as well.

Well that is the crux. If we are talking about late fortress, your army is mostly trained units so the cost increase that comes with tilly's discipline is an issue. So I would prefer the arsenal. But I don't have much experience with either card

[Jotunir]

if you need speed on skirms against caro as ger, why not just send the church card and get tilly's discipline? its more speed then advanced arsenal, its "free" as long as you are only sending unit shipments and potentially you can get free merc shipments as well.

Well that is the crux. If we are talking about late fortress, your army is mostly trained units so the cost increase that comes with tilly's discipline is an issue. So I would prefer the arsenal. But I don't have much experience with either card

AA also gives other upgrades that are useful as the game gets longer. The german church card is much worse than AA.
Sure, it's effect is double of what military drummers gives, but it comes with a serious drawback. Increasing the price of your infantry is not good at all.