The price of the russian musketeer is not right
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The price of the russian musketeer is not right
Hi, I was curious to calculate the Russian troops with their -25% discount on batches. So I undertake this undertaking and I notice that the price of the musketeer is not right, it is not really discounted by 25%, now I do not know why this price is not fair and it's not right changes little from the current price but if Russian troops price -25% so it must be, if it is for a budgetary fact (I doubt) you cannot balance in this way because you have broken a Russian mechanic and therefore you have to interact elsewhere, but knowing the Russians on Aoe3DE and having played them both in 1v1 and in team do not it is a civilization or indeed I would say quite resized compared to others. Here are the calculations I made to explain this:
Russian units: Price reduced -25%
Batch units:
10 Strelet: 375 100
5 Musketeer: 281 95
4 Halberdier: 150 210
Singolar units:
1 Strelet: 38 10
1 Musketeer: 57 19
1 Halberdier: 38 53
Calculations:
Strelet: 38 *10 = 380 ; 10 *10 = 100
Musketeer: 57 *5 = 285 ; 19 *5 = 95
Halberdier: 38 *4 = 152 ; 53 *4 = 212
Standard Units:
Strelet: Only Russia has this unit and I don't know what other troops its price is based on.
Musketeer: 75 *5 = 375 ; 25 *5 = 125 ; -25% = 281.25 ; 93.75
Halberdier: 50 *4 = 200 ; 70 *4 = 280 ; -25% = 150 ; 210
Conclusions:
In the game:
5 Musketeer: 281 95
How it should be:
5 Musketeer: 281 93
The price of the other troops as you can see is right.
Russian units: Price reduced -25%
Batch units:
10 Strelet: 375 100
5 Musketeer: 281 95
4 Halberdier: 150 210
Singolar units:
1 Strelet: 38 10
1 Musketeer: 57 19
1 Halberdier: 38 53
Calculations:
Strelet: 38 *10 = 380 ; 10 *10 = 100
Musketeer: 57 *5 = 285 ; 19 *5 = 95
Halberdier: 38 *4 = 152 ; 53 *4 = 212
Standard Units:
Strelet: Only Russia has this unit and I don't know what other troops its price is based on.
Musketeer: 75 *5 = 375 ; 25 *5 = 125 ; -25% = 281.25 ; 93.75
Halberdier: 50 *4 = 200 ; 70 *4 = 280 ; -25% = 150 ; 210
Conclusions:
In the game:
5 Musketeer: 281 95
How it should be:
5 Musketeer: 281 93
The price of the other troops as you can see is right.
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Re: The cost of the russian musketeer is not right
It is the USA and their NATO dogs trying to nerf the glorious Russia...
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
See this is hilarious because i remember when EP patch adjusted the cost
``Russians
Starting crates fixed to 600f 200w
Musketeer batch cost adjusted to 280f, 95c (from 281.25f, 93.75c)``
It was 93.75 on TAD then when ep9 was basically ported over to de, the change went along with it
``Russians
Starting crates fixed to 600f 200w
Musketeer batch cost adjusted to 280f, 95c (from 281.25f, 93.75c)``
It was 93.75 on TAD then when ep9 was basically ported over to de, the change went along with it
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https://www.ageofempires.com/news/aoe3d ... ne-update/
The Russians
Starting crates fixed to 600f 200w
UNITS & BUILDINGS
Musketeer batch cost increased to 280f, 95c (from 281.25f, 93.75c)
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
If the math is not an opinion, the real price is what I wrote and if Russia really has -25% of the reduced price for each batch why not keep this -25% at its real -25%? No longer need to rely on ep9 balances this is another game.dansil92 wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 12:35See this is hilarious because i remember when EP patch adjusted the cost
``Russians
Starting crates fixed to 600f 200w
Musketeer batch cost adjusted to 280f, 95c (from 281.25f, 93.75c)``
It was 93.75 on TAD then when ep9 was basically ported over to de, the change went along with it
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this is great because I can tell there's a new, fresh generation of aoe3 players that doesn't know zois hatred of ever so slightly less than round numbers and i think that's beautiful
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
Even more fun : the total prize of a strelet should be 37,5f+7,5w, they forgot to apply the 25% reduction to the wood cost. You can see this because the kill xp for a strelet is 6, which corresponds to a total ressource cost of 60. 75% of 60 gives 45, so the total ressource cost of a strelet should be 45, which at 37,5f gives a wood cost of 7,5 before rounding up.
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
Exactly, I did not understand the reason for this. What developers were thinking way back in 2005.Le Hussard sur le toit wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 14:31Even more fun : the total prize of a strelet should be 37,5f+7,5w, they forgot to apply the 25% reduction to the wood cost. You can see this because the kill xp for a strelet is 6, which corresponds to a total ressource cost of 60. 75% of 60 gives 45, so the total ressource cost of a strelet should be 45, which at 37,5f gives a wood cost of 7,5 before rounding up.
Applying the -25% to the strelets you would have to change some economic mechanics most likely otherwise it would be very strong as a thing or even op.
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
However if you want to look at these calculations well otherwise the game is as it is I have pointed this out amen, so much at this rate this game will not have much future.
Having said that bye!
Having said that bye!
Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
The rusketeer price is right to the extent that I've personally, intentionally set it at 76% cost. Originally as part of the EP7 release.
As dansil mentioned, the driving force behind this change was to adjust the resulting cost to a whole integer and avoid the problematic decimal numbers.
As dansil mentioned, the driving force behind this change was to adjust the resulting cost to a whole integer and avoid the problematic decimal numbers.
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
Why not leave it as it was on tad? What was wrong with that?EAGLEMUT wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 15:35The rusketeer price is right to the extent that I've personally, intentionally set it at 76% cost. Originally as part of the EP7 release.
As dansil mentioned, the driving force behind this change was to adjust the resulting cost to a whole integer and avoid the problematic decimal numbers.
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The decimal result; 93.75 coinTranceGate wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 15:41Why not leave it as it was on tad? What was wrong with that?EAGLEMUT wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 15:35The rusketeer price is right to the extent that I've personally, intentionally set it at 76% cost. Originally as part of the EP7 release.
As dansil mentioned, the driving force behind this change was to adjust the resulting cost to a whole integer and avoid the problematic decimal numbers.
It means that the cost displayed as 93 coin on UI, but if you had exactly 93 coin you in fact could not train the batch.
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
What game file can I find this in? On protoy there is not this but only that of the standard musketeersEAGLEMUT wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 15:50The decimal result; 93.75 coinTranceGate wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 15:41Why not leave it as it was on tad? What was wrong with that?EAGLEMUT wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 15:35The rusketeer price is right to the extent that I've personally, intentionally set it at 76% cost. Originally as part of the EP7 release.
As dansil mentioned, the driving force behind this change was to adjust the resulting cost to a whole integer and avoid the problematic decimal numbers.
It means that the cost displayed as 93 coin on UI, but if you had exactly 93 coin you in fact could not train the batch.
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I believe their musketeers are actually using the same unit in the protoy, but Russia has a shadow-tech applied at the start of the game to make them weaker and cheaper. You might have more luck looking in techtreey, but I'm not sure what it would be calledTranceGate wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 16:47What game file can I find this in? On protoy there is not this but only that of the standard musketeers
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russiaAge0 iircMitoe wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 21:03I believe their musketeers are actually using the same unit in the protoy, but Russia has a shadow-tech applied at the start of the game to make them weaker and cheaper. You might have more luck looking in techtreey, but I'm not sure what it would be calledTranceGate wrote: ↑12 Aug 2022, 16:47What game file can I find this in? On protoy there is not this but only that of the standard musketeersShow hidden quotes
Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
isnt weird decimals also the reason why the consulate HP and ATK buffs were set to 7% cause it caused that stacking buff?
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
I am looking at the file and I see that if I change the percentage of the cost from 75% to 74% on the screen it comes out 92c and effectively removes 93c which would be right but surely you already knew and had tested this. A weird thing is because there is a piece of code that says this:
<effect type = "Data" amount = "0.75" subtype = "Cost" resource = "Gold" relativity = "BasePercent">
<target type = "ProtoUnit"> Strelet </target>
</effect>
Was it initially thought of making the strelet cost money?
<effect type = "Data" amount = "0.75" subtype = "Cost" resource = "Gold" relativity = "BasePercent">
<target type = "ProtoUnit"> Strelet </target>
</effect>
Was it initially thought of making the strelet cost money?
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Re: The price of the russian musketeer is not right
Isn't there a way to change the value in relativity? Does the game only read Basepercent?
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You can see this being the case also when upgrading the units. The vet upgrade improves strel hp from 72 to 90, which is a 25% buff. But that is only because the base stats of strels (and ruskets) are actually 90hp/10dmg (150hp/23dmg). This fact makes russian inf even stronger in late game, because the -20% starting debuff decreases in relevance with every new upgrade while the -25% cost buff is still there.
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