kevinitalien wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 14:55
" Your build " isn't a reference lol, also you discovered nothing, i used to play the gold trickle from the church 1 year ago already into semi ff and abuse that broken sharpshooter card, i even remenber callen comparing the gold trickle with cree cdbs strat and doing sharpshooter too on his stream, way before you, you just wrote " your build " in february right after the patch and then " hey guys i made a good build, i discovered the USA potential, i make carbine and sharpshooter with coin trickle on the church ", ye good job callen and me discovered it before you 6 month ago lol
The first version of sharpshooter was 250f 250w and it was broken, i remember shipping 17 of them or smth at 12-13 min, into they nerfed it to no cost and cap limit at 11 or 12 i don't remember exactly, into rechange the card to add more range to outlaw ( useless ) into rebuff the card in july to instead to add the range of outlaws it give 5 outlaws but for some reason the sharpshooter cap is gone, i even saw a breeze game were he could send 21 skirm at around 20 min...
Concerning carbine, the smth they change about them isn't the atk, its their animation, instead to shoot twice like they used to be they shoot only once now, which is an insane buff + the card for them age 3 ( +0.10RR and 10% atk ) which was age 4 before, its broken since 6 months, remember when aiz played them already with chinese immigrant or just everyone in fact on EPL, catch up dude...
BS. My build is indeed the reference for this, and I've been doing skirm-goon with USA even 2 years prior to that when nobody was doing it. Instead everyone was doing Regulars FF, Spanish immigrants rush, California FI, or other old builds with French immigrants and Dutch bank. In fact I came up with the optimized churhc build after they nerfed French immigrants (old strats were not good anymore) and buffed capitalism instead.
As far as I remember Callen picked up the church build just after I posted it on ESOC and he was doing it with the 2 Russian BHs and with the coal mines (back then coffee mill gun was in age3 so I considered that a better option).
I think the first version of the state sharpshooter card was 500c cost (not sure on that, might have been the second iteration) with no limit and as good as it was, it wasn't broken. The later you send the card, the less useful it gets (it's basically a big button that also cost a shipment, and shipments are extremely important in late game as you miss out important upgrades instead).
Carbines are not broken now, let alone they have been broken since six months. They're at best a better version of dragoons, even with the recent buffs which, in fact, were added so that the unit would be available in competitive play. It was considered a poor unit before, now with the buffs it's a legit unit. I don't think Aiz ever used Chinese immigrants to do the church FF and the Highlander strat is ofc different and much more recent. In fact, I also tested my strat with chinese immigrant+capitalism and I concluded it's inferior to the standard build. Even if you eventually get stagecoach and some more map ctrl, the xp amount still doesn't repay the shipment cost and you notice it in the build (and you can get stagecoach anyway with 1k wood later).
All this argument is funny because some months ago (around when I published the strat, I think just after) we had a discussion on civ tier list and USA specifically. I was advocating for USA decent strenght based on that specific build while other players, including you, where doing other builds and I remember you specically considering USA terrible. Nothing has changed since then with the church build (except carbines getting an almost imperceptible quickier animation and the upgrade card in age3) and yet now USA (semi) FF is "too good".
You should get a grasp on the bigger picture and stop overreacting to w/e little change occurs through patches. 90% of times, when something is suddendly considered "too good" is just because of a popularity trend which doesn't reflect a balance shift.
