How can I win with Spain vs Portugal?

[RenektonSion]

Previously, this match seemed more level to me, although slightly in favor of Portugal, but currently the sending of 3 organ guns is destroying me

The 2 falconetes vs 3 organ gun will end up losing, in one case you will normally lose 2 falconetes and you will only kill 1 organ gun and leave another injured, but in any case the port will be left with 2 organ gun which is already a awfull exchange

My drawbacks are:

As much as I try to make a good time to go to age 3 quickly, the ports go by faster and not by a little, but I would say that they are 45 - 65 seconds ahead of me

Already they pass faster at age 2, they can pass with the fast pass policy at age 3 so they will pass much faster to obtain the organ gun or other military shipment much earlier so they will have a better position.

They place the 2 TCs together, so 2 cannons are not enough for me to obtain enough siege, since they can guard the villagers, I can shoot at least 1 cannon before I can launch a TC if I do not use troops other than the cannons to besiege, also consider that if they were to use 2 militias I would really find myself in a big problem, they can comfortably harass me from a distance with walls, almost all my attacks are melee essentially Lancer/Rodeleros against Cassador and goons if I manage to enter well Your units should win but as horrible against pathfiding if there are walls and militia TCs, consider that they are horrible for siege.

Getting skirmishers the way Portugal plays I will lose the skirmish duel against Cassador plus I can't easily upgrade my skirmishers like them with cards

I have beaten the same Portuguese before with France but with Spain I only lose, my last games with Spain vs Portugal I have lost all 5


I usually do FF or aggressive piroshiki obviously


With all those inconveniences, how the hell can I win this?

The economy of the ports is better by default than the Spanish one, I can clearly get good economy with greedy shipments but considering that Portugal can also do ff Aggressive, how can I afford to play ambitious with Spanish gold, generally the economic cards from Spain are long-term, it doesn't give me the confidence to use them against Portugal with so much firepower at age 3 initial,

[ShinkuroYukinari]

Have you considered an aggressive all-in pike-xbow rush? It's likely that the Portugal player is doing a naked FF because he expects you to FF as well. Not to mention that Portugal is generally not ideal in Age 2.

[RenektonSion]

Have you considered an aggressive all-in pike-xbow rush? It's likely that the Portugal player is doing a naked FF because he expects you to FF as well. Not to mention that Portugal is generally not ideal in Age 2.

Against Portugal it is garbage because they always have the "Urban Militia" card in their deck
Where you can kill archaic units with one shot, with double TC I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't deny that doing a rush Maybe with musketeers it can work and even archaic, if I force you to spend the card without sacrificing so much time it can be useful, I'll try Something similar

[Squamiger]

Don't do a full rush but pressure their forward TC with pikes if you can. If they try to ignore it you can take down their tc by the time they hit age 3 and force them to put the 3rd one in base, or you can force them to garrison vills in their tc to defend it, which is like more than half their eco at that point. Or if you force them to send the colonial militia card, that will also slow them down and it's a win, just back off and dont get caught and then age yourself.

also have you tried just making 1 more falc or even a culv in age3?

[Rohbrot]

Just try sending spanish gold and 1k wood and train falcs in your base, if not even culvs when he goes for artillery also. you can easily hold a timing of him with a defensive tower at base.

[RenektonSion]

Don't do a full rush but pressure their forward TC with pikes if you can. If they try to ignore it you can take down their tc by the time they hit age 3 and force them to put the 3rd one in base, or you can force them to garrison vills in their tc to defend it, which is like more than half their eco at that point. Or if you force them to send the colonial militia card, that will also slow them down and it's a win, just back off and dont get caught and then age yourself.

also have you tried just making 1 more falc or even a culv in age3?

Honestly, I had forgotten to use 1 infinite cannon since I don't have it in my deck. It could be a good idea, since usually heavy cavalry shipments are of no use to me.

Just try sending spanish gold and 1k wood and train falcs in your base, if not even culvs when he goes for artillery also. you can easily hold a timing of him with a defensive tower at base.

Thanks I'll try it

[ShinkuroYukinari]

Have you considered an aggressive all-in pike-xbow rush? It's likely that the Portugal player is doing a naked FF because he expects you to FF as well. Not to mention that Portugal is generally not ideal in Age 2.

Against Portugal it is garbage because they always have the "Urban Militia" card in their deck
Where you can kill archaic units with one shot, with double TC I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't deny that doing a rush Maybe with musketeers it can work and even archaic, if I force you to spend the card without sacrificing so much time it can be useful, I'll try Something similar

Think about it this way, that card could have been 700 gold and you are still at an advantage to push further. And think of the idle time.

[draztik]

Mass canons early age 3 is fine but beware coz one single culv can ruin your push if you don't pay attention.

Maybe a fast revolution also from time to time.

But the portugal FF is scary : less offensive than the spanish one but way more defensive/ booming and so fast that port can also push in age 3 ...

In team, port is surely in the top 3

[Rohbrot]

Mass canons early age 3 is fine but beware coz one single culv can ruin your push if you don't pay attention.

Maybe a fast revolution also from time to time.

But the portugal FF is scary : less offensive than the spanish one but way more defensive/ booming and so fast that port can also push in age 3 ...

In team, port is surely in the top 3

A Revolution wont work if u are playing against a half decent Player, just try to go a bit eco heavy, the Falco Spam wont work without also Training culvs on Ur own.