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Dolan wrote:
03 Oct 2023, 06:27
it was that easy to implement, I'd expect they would have already done it.
I say this to myself about all sorts of things every day but it never makes any more sense really
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
04 Oct 2023, 04:04
Dolan wrote:
03 Oct 2023, 06:27
it was that easy to implement, I'd expect they would have already done it.
I say this to myself about all sorts of things every day but it never makes any more sense really
Then I wrote that they have a small team and invested most of their work on stuff they think will sell this niche game more. Those who buy it mostly have no idea there was a legacy version with a UI that included lobbies, online buddies list, etc.
These new buyers can't miss things they never saw
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Yea.. exactly,(I refer to page 2 last post by Dolan) glad there is people that are awakened, true citizens of this world and at least of this theme. yeah u very well explain in a brief way how the exploit the fog of profit making rogue developing.

Anyway... I was checking a "small" detail ,and believe it or not the relation with the quote is very close in terms of topic.
If you go in the lobby and search stuff, you usually look for a specific game right? it's a rethorical question.
I guess one wants to train and warm up a bit, or maybe doesn't even consider slightly to play rated\ranked so I guess that's what they\we do: play random. Ok, this said, I wanna mark another EPIC FAIL of the design that makes people waste time doing this.

You actually are looking for a game and one of the "filter" you use in your mind is "I wanna play 2 v 2 .. " .. I wanna play 4 ffa.. I wanna play 1 v 1 I wanna play a 3 v 3 (so it's respectively 4 players max, 4 players max, 2 players, and 6 players).

You surely follow me so far.

Simply put: they do actually programmed the lobby to show the DAMN number of PEOPLE IN A ROOM! instead to actually show in order of the denominator, the number to be reached. Like this you are fed a USELESS information that orders in decreasing or increasing order the NUMERATOR of the players in the room.

This is incredible deficit of understanding WHAT THEY ARE DOING from programmers of this "game".

You wanna show rooms IN THE ORDER OF THE DENOMINATOR (the second number) after the \2 \3 \4 \5 \6 ... this one not the prior one if you wanna give an interesting info USEFUL for the player that is searching in the lobby a game because I DON't Care to enter a room based on how many are missing (that is a secondary choice!!!)

First choice is WHAT TYPE OF GAME I WANNA PLAY.

The designers of this are clearly a bunch of unable to play nor set rules to design a game or a meta \ pre game stuff, it's like they were removed the capacity to understand what they are doing and thrown there to make money for Microsoft and we? We buy this? Don't buy this. Just don't. Don't support these killers of video games. These are LITERALLY KILLERS.

You wanna tell me the numbers of MAX PLAYERS in a room (denominator) in order to allow me to choose what I want and REACH WHAT I WANT, I want to go for a 2 v 2 then I look for the lobby to order the "players" along how max players they are going to be playing. If I press the second banner in the listing lobby system it will make the rooms be ordered on HOW MANY PLAYERS they have which has non sense.
So I need to search for rooms that have 3 players on 4 or anyway I will have my OBJECTIVE distributed along the entire set of rooms of the lobby because a 4 room I am looking for can be on top or on the bottom or mid..or anywhare.. this is seriously catastrophic NON DESIGN by Who made this thing.

These people have never played games and if these continue making games ... well just stop playing.

This is like they were throwing at people rubbish and people even bought it.

Why you all don't do NEGATIVE LOW reviews. I did and my friends did, do it go in Steam Valve Corp distribution platform and put negative reviews, Go in Meta critic ( https://www.metacritic.com/game/age-of- ... latform=pc) and bash this insult to game design, explain your points, make it clear and throw them where they c an never return from. This is a horror.

Orrific insult to players ... there is really no damn dignity today in people, I am disgusted to what is happening to humans. Disgusted.
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Seriously, to all of you, I believe we are still in time to help the future of games.
Can anybody share a few minutes to write a short but powerful and UNEQUIVOCAL message in a short letter to raise the attention over this TOTALLY forgotten Age of Empire III DE case that we will send to Phil Spencer? Do you agree? We can take the address and write it in the name of ESOC, name of several communities if leaders do sign for this. and we just send it. It's not a joke. They will realize what they have done.
They must realize it because IT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE they are aware of what they have done.

let's write it, let's use properly the language so that it directs clear message to what are the missing elements of this project so much it cannot even be considered an alpha. It's not even a mobile game level stuff I believe.

Let's contact Xbox Microsoft and make things clear, NEVER AGAIN and DO RECOVER FROM THIS or this should be known with all the money they gave to all the Critics /payed by them\ in order to be silent of this mess.
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Didn't read all that but throughout the past three years there have been and still are plenty of people making their case known about their various grievances about DE. Some of these have been addressed well, some have been addressed poorly, and some not at all. The point is that the pace at which the devs are working on DE as well as the overall goals of the people in charge have already been made clear. If you don't like it no one's forcing you to play it. I'm still pretty sad about how DE's release was botched, and how the game was not able to reach it's full potential. But at the same time, the original game came out in 2005, and Age of Empires 3 was the least popular out of the main 3 aoe games, so it's kind of crazy that we are still getting anything at all.

Plenty of new RTS coming out over the next few years btw
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"If you don't like it no one's forcing you to play it."

I will address this answer with the harshness it needs to be addressed with with all the respect because it's unacceptable people keep repeating insults online and they are not addressed.

My passion forces me to play it, and let me tell you it clearly as I promised to do just above: if you have nothing to say, you are not forced to say speak, you don't have absolutely to say something" (if you have not something to say).
You cannot tell me what I should do or not do about a game, or if I should play or not play, or ask for having a better game.
I will not be calm on major issues. This stuff is like saying hey I am selling you snake oil and call it a game... and you gladly or less gladly accept it.

i don't care about other RTS. I am not looking to play other sincerely at the moment nor in the future I think. I play since AOE I, actually the game previous to AOE I which was Roman empire I think or something else, for me it's about culture, not about "spending my time with RTSs" and it's not just me.

No we are not lucky we are getting still something, they are lucky that people wrote positive things on the software beta they released which we are playing. Mods make it a bit better, and this is SOLD BY MICROSOFT. I repeat, MICROSOFT.

I should not add, nor have added else. It's unacceptable level of standards. "They are lucky there are people like you who lost compeltely the way, nor have idea what is a compass or what are the principle of game design and the ethics of BUSINESS".

A good game sells. DLCs are the poisonous microtransactions that have polluted and destroyed videogames and eradicated players from the gaming scene, moving into what is more a performer world made of money makers (on all sides). And in gaming there must be no sides: the developers should know the game they are making, play it, know it as their hand's palms and players should shut up and enjoy.
Instead we are here to make the role of devs, while devs are turbo capitalist finance thugs.
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Well if you are looking for a better game, I know a few called Age of Empire III the Asian Dynasties, Age of Empire III the Warchiefs (2 pop 'darmes), and Age of Empires III; they're like DE but better.
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horsedancingwithcrow wrote:
18 Nov 2023, 22:34
"If you don't like it no one's forcing you to play it."

I will address this answer with the harshness it needs to be addressed with with all the respect because it's unacceptable people keep repeating insults online and they are not addressed.
Get his ass
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alistairpeter wrote:
18 Nov 2023, 23:07
Well if you are looking for a better game, I know a few called Age of Empire III the Asian Dynasties, Age of Empire III the Warchiefs (2 pop 'darmes), and Age of Empires III; they're like DE but better.
I... I, we, all played those games, I would not "uber" talk like this of something if I wasn't playing games since 30 years and more and I wasn't actually an AOE player even before AOE I, I would not dare to suggest and notice what is wrong.
AoE III DE is not a Definitive edition and people need to state that in MEtacritic and Steam reviews and wherever they can also write to totally unaware authors on "review" pseudo newspaper for videogames, @ at them on twitter and so on, it's just 3 years now after its release and it cannot be that nobody cares. Nobody cares means the most of us that do not talk are poisoning the river.
The cycle is made of critical approach to something that doesn't work otherwise more of it will be made and more will use the (cash cow) formula of I make a generally unfinished game, sell Ultra edition, extended edition, other "prestige" stuff down to the standard edition and also add several DLC in it, release it as a non game and wait for the new generation that do not know nothing or also old generations to buy this...

most people have zero background of videogames and buy, and do not criticize. I bought but I WOULD NEVER have expected a game not to have an ONLINE status nor a message log, these are the BARE minimal services a game must give not to kill its own self. COMMUNITY first. Ok the mods, ok discord, but you must give stuff as a standard, well made otherwise what are you doing is disrespect the game design ethics, the standards and you are damaging also your own profits.
People would play more, would create NEW communities, would battle, would spend more time.
This game wastes the time... how can people not understand an IN GAME system for online status is crucial?
A message log.
An easy invite system.

The possibility to navigate like an hypertext allows since 50 years now or more... no! I have to open a page at a time or my entire process of matchmaking will stop!
This stuff is unprecedented and Microsoft Nardella is behind this. And he hires AI expert blablaGOLDENSTEIN just to remind how greedy and unapologetically criminal he is, this company has to be barred from producing videogames and buying other developer houses...

What a shame.
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horsedancingwithcrow wrote:
27 Nov 2023, 13:37
This stuff is unprecedented and Microsoft Nardella is behind this. And he hires AI expert blablaGOLDENSTEIN just to remind how greedy and unapologetically criminal he is,
I agree that the UX changes are bad but you're kind of losing me here ngl
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@horsedancingwithcrow i didn't read most of it but that line was a bit of a gamer moment
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Critical thinking skill were nowhere to be found
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If you people do care, then do write on STeam Store Page of AOE and press the flag on the bottom right (mid page) and report for violations explaining what is wrong to Steam.

Also use Metacritic.com and write a review.

Also go in https://support.ageofempires.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

And send them a proper report of what is missing.

I mean how can you not understand these things. WHy people are so greedily utilitaristic, individualists?

How can you not see that the lack of a player search, a online offline status, taking 5 clicks before being able to wishper someone and reach the text box, and then also being met from a "no there is no offline message log" becuase the player is offline, all this stuff is not working and would help so much the player.. II have mentioned so many things...

They are so evident.

Where do you people come from? A cave?
Seriously how can you think this is a game and being ok with that?
Humans really got quite low, it's not me, it's really you are missing what is the purpose of acommunity and of a game.

It's disgusting how people have become. Maybe a big fratricide will clean all this disgusting FUBAR situation, of inaction, and extremely egocentrical mass of non sensical zombies.

No.. violence will never fix anything but your passivity your "there is nothing to do" and other trolling, all these people also silent just reading, you are violent, you are the problem.

If u were doing your part a players WHICH YOU ARE NOT, and probably never have been or forgot to be so, then we would not be in this situations.

It's a shame Microsoft publish a game like this and then even builds a DLC program for earning over it.

It's like SHOOTING ON THE RED CROSS and bragging about it.
Oh .. i Forgot there is israel that is doing this and everyone is ok with it.

OH AND LET ME TELL YOU WITH CAPITAL LETTERS:

I don't care "I lost you" at this or that. You are not supposed to support me, but the community, because if you claim to be a player you are a sportman, you know that we need better quality anmd if you call this game finished then you have a big problem.
It's no a PERSONAL crusade, I don't need a populist crowd behind me I KNOW WHAT IS SAY IS SACREDLY TRUE because this stuff is so blatantly spitting in people face that it's like a plague an epidemic, it's sick what they ahve done to this game and even when a bug comes out..

No hot fix when the rule in game design is 24h max 2 days...
This is not beta testing, And even if it was this game is DRAFT being released!!

How can you be ok with htis..

HOW CAN: THE HELL PEOPLE BUY DLC from this? It telsl a lot of what people are... like education below the ground. We have become a community of a bunch of masochists.. not really a community.

Dman use your powers and write a letter, write a review do the damn vote, do the damn part, do you speak english? then write Microsoft, write a review use steam tools to prevent this from going on. It's incredible How everybody feels like there is a higher power controlling everything and they let it go.

You must be so succesful in your lives and I doubt the manners you reach that success that you let other abusers to do what they want with us..

That is called "straw tail" in my country, literally speaking.. I won't search now for the exact translation (non literal).

If you fear something then you fear to do what is correct to do.
So lazy so passive and cynical it' just stinks..

How can people not see a game cannot work like this?!
There are crucial parts that need to be developed and polished...
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callentournies wrote:
02 Dec 2023, 18:40
together we can change the world
At least we can improve it a bit. There are tools to make our voice and make all notice especially at microsoft what is missing and what NEEDS, must be done.

Twitter (https://twitter.com/ageofempires/)
metacritic (user reviews)
Steam user reviews
AOE III DE Support - specific form (write a letter or also to microsoft support of your country)
Flag report via Steam STORE PAGE of AOE III DE (find it at mid page, near "embed".. there is a flag).

thank you

Just do it and politely askk and mention all the things that are missing from online status to a user firendly chat to a functional lobby to a properly made matchmaking to rated rooms, to an explanation of the casual rank and so on.
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reading that unhinged mess motivated my to go update my steam review to be primarily positive(probably undeserved)
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I contacted the help service (
and they responded, imagine if people instead to troll and flame like this US fanboy up here would do what they have to do instead to be the usual Z generation individualist agent smith doing everything for their selfish insignificant cause.
Fortunately the world is run by selfless people who care for the community and notice there is no Quality assessment in this pre alpha release that AOE III DE is, and people supporting this are just people that have worked at it and try with all their egoism and malice to damage the critics, just like fascist do.

Unhinged is you, your disrespect of players and introduction of new LOW standards is the real problem.
A game cannot be releases without

(In game) Online status (the one right now is a joke)
In game player name search
On a matchmaking-Forced Competitive gameplay that forces people to smurf (why? well, imagine a 1500+ looking for a game they won't find one but in 7 minutes) ERGO: the game must have again ROOMS that allow rated supremacy\classic: FULLSTOP. (not only a better matchmaking design)
Chat box cannot be reached but with 5 clicks! EXTREME USER UNFRIENDLY
Chat cannot be used in Post game stats section as you check the various areas
Chat log (offline messaging in other words) when someone is not online is not existing: this is extremely frustrating and madness... how can one not write a message to someone offline (it's like THE ULTIMATE, THE DEFINITIVE EDITION OF RUBBER WALLS against players and to spread salt on a community, how can someone not understand it!!!!)
You cannot Censor names of people that will not be accessible visible, /you are playing against "no one", you cannot find them.. fortunately there is a Third app called Free Food party .. but this is just incredible
Casual rank is not explained how it works and it should be (it can be done in many ways, like relating it to the cpr\sgt\mst sgt etc ranks that you had before and also at least explain if it stays as it is what is what and why it is growing or not growing and what are the mechanics of such casual rank... BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CLEAR)
The recordings are not working! compatible after a game update!! and often just break even without a game update (I personally had a game now and just recorded it: it fails at 3 seconds) THIS IS EXTREMELY detrimental to an RTS as a root problem! It's like a pandemic, a virus issue.
Making a game a Gaas (game as a service with DLC money making program, is not acceptable IF YOU haven't made the game complete and working
The lobby is incredibly disfunctional tons of filter are just place holders, they do not work,
The lobby doesn't allow Hypertext navigation\surfing which is the base of our internet and world culture. This for example will stop matchmaking search if you press another Lobby tab (most of them)...
Matchmaking canceled will bug the entire multiplayer and players will have to restart the game...
Matchamking can show stuff like "how many players are going to be needed further in order to launch the match"...
...
I may continue but fixing and polishing and finishing to develop thje game or releasing a Ultimate version would really be ok if only these things were offered and for sure you need it to do for free or make a final version but AAA level.

A lot of people would come back and play it, and a better base game means more profit, more sales. More players means more sales, more of everything .. and avoids the dusk of this saga, which is much closer than it seems.

Offer a better system that doesn't bring people to disconnect as this still is happening and ruining the competitive and non competitive scene.

I am not commenting on what it works, stuff works,

It's like the FAIR of QUALITY ASSESSMENT ABSENCE!

People who cooperated to this project are ok at supporting it and unsheathing their cheerleading swords, but remember, stay honorable because there is stuff you cannot defend and everyone knows what it is. It's just that people don't have time or don't care much due to the world we live in of delegation to others of responsibilities... and forever war.

Now.. it's time to answer and act, you can do what you want for your reviews, I don't care what you are cooking on your kitchen or what time you go to the toilet. That is a cultural disfunction people have when start telling to others what they do on socials, cure it before it's late.
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18 Nov 2023, 23:07
Well if you are looking for a better game, I know a few called Age of Empire III the Asian Dynasties, Age of Empire III the Warchiefs (2 pop 'darmes), and Age of Empires III; they're like DE but better.
Just to make stuff clear, do you think I would raise all this without having studied earlier not only in terms of factual studying of the subjects but also be playing since before 1997 before AOE was born and with all the AOEs?
Do you really think I am the usual person that bla bla bla online with hate, well I am not that. I am, and many of us are with the true grain of salt and actually extremely knowledgable on what we are talking, and instead of criticizing people should actually learn from those that have more experience then them. Or all is lost and everything is permitted. You have no idea what it means probably, but you will realise soon if this goes on that the world is really near.
There is no end to violence if there is no interaction between generations and transfering \ share of knowledge but just MECHANICAL\ PROFITABLE interaction , it's basically a species failure.

You people need to watch a lot of water passing below the bridge before starting pointing your fingers and "ecce homo" inquisition stuff on people who dedicate to make the community better.
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Ethics are so high for Age of Empires communication and studios in general of Microsoft that Actually the official Twitter account of @ ageofempires did actually block me after a polite and critical request over their "game" in pre alpha status after the October 15th 2020 and never polished, finished, improved.

For me this is appalling. I am filing now to European Consumer center, anyone can do it. The more of these protest reach the office the more it is sure Microsoft is going to be fined and will have to take action like Update, release of a new game, removal of the game or else. But something will have to be done or Microsoft will be fined.

Here is how to get your country contact (usually each country has 2 or more offices) : https://commission.europa.eu/live-work- ... ecc-net_en

Please file in Europe Consumer Center mail your report:

There is need for your support request sent to microsoft, AOE or else
The answer to these too, your dissatisfaction resulting from that if any. (it is implicit as if you are sending a ECC network report you are indeed dissatisfied)
The receipt\ proof of purchase (you can grab that from Steam).
Few words or an explanation of what is wrong to the ECC office in your country.
No need to give personal documents.

You can stay sort of anonymous if you care.
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That's cool. If this leads to the EU ruling that Microsoft broke EU law and applying a few tens of billions in fines, it could bankrupt Microsoft and the game would return to being patched and developed by the community.
Hopefully this happens and all those boomers from the USA who are Microsoft shareholders lose all their wealth and have to take a job at Walmart.
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horsedancingwithcrow wrote:
13 Dec 2023, 16:47
Ethics are so high for Age of Empires communication and studios in general of Microsoft that Actually the official Twitter account of @ ageofempires did actually block me after a polite and critical request over their "game"
Please post a transcript of your conversation with this account
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Dolan wrote:
13 Dec 2023, 18:56
That's cool. If this leads to the EU ruling that Microsoft broke EU law and applying a few tens of billions in fines, it could bankrupt Microsoft and the game would return to being patched and developed by the community.
Hopefully this happens and all those boomers from the USA who are Microsoft shareholders lose all their wealth and have to take a job at Walmart.
ahahah and no disrespect for Walmart, any job should be respected. and wait, it's a public fine (and only comes if many of us report it to EU Consumer Center and Microsoft doesn't act), which will anyway lead Microsoft to take care of the project over which beside other objective facts, it is objectively not taking care of since years 3+ actually years, since the a software, a game cannot be released in such status and it's just impossible some people do not see it like that, who doesn't see it like that is just an utter cheerleading troll and fan boy that pushes forward her\his own ignorance and populistic violence instead to see, learn, accept facts cooperate together on what we all see and share.

They won't go bankrupt, do you know the HUGE capital these people have? It's like billions of billions, yo ucan ccheck online.
And in fact it is incredible that they just don't dedicate a few dollars to take care of games and realese them with proper standards and respect of quality and players. It's ANOTHER-THING-THAN-GAME-DESIGN, it's Post-gamedesign.
Instead they use developers and the people they "hired" or volunteers to make money... ? How is this possible? Put a damn budget and put those 3-5 years and do the damn RTS game you had to make. No.. they indulge in DLC programs (games as a service bla bla bla) and gather cash flow for their "other operations"... this is beyond the unacceptable, it's dirty.

You can file a report to European Consumer Center Network by contacting via mail with:

-Receipt \ proof of purchase (you find it on steam support options in payment history or paypal or elsewhere)
-Proof of contacting support and being dissatisfied with the response (or later response than 15 days aka no response in time)
-Explaining in mail text what is wrong with the product
-Proofs if possible a video or pictures or clear explanation in the text of what is broken of the article\product\digital whatever you are writing for.
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It's the fair of relativism what we see and what we also have as a result due to these trolls infesting communities offline and online is a world where powerful take advantage of relativism and noise to implement even more coercitive, arrogant, illegal practices under the cover of such relativism.
Facts are facts there are rules and ethics, sure!! One can go around rules (it's acceptable) BUT THERE IS A LIMIT, you cannot release a game make money when THE ENTIRE SET OF TOOLS for it to work and a community to thrive in it ARE GONE!

There are just a bunch of things that would cost maybe some weeks, months of work, in some cases days (with high professionals) and THEY HAVEN't Implemented them? IT's just MIND BLOWING.

And we are sleeping with "hey it's just a game" .. "hey we have a life".. sure you are all right, I respect anyone, but seriously people joking about this repeating over and over, do not see what is happening in games. It's just tools to make money for people that invest in bricks, in weapons, in other totally different activities from videogames and that need videogames as a tool to have a cash flow in order to have the liquidity needed to do their dirty business...

Basically they use ARt and fun and gaming as a tool to obtain the money to do else.
And developers in this are slaves, worse slaves are the players, and Microsoft is directly responsible for this.

I won't post the account (I can post a picture for sure of it https://ibb.co/tqtGNNb Image) , I am sorry, I know what people will do (/and it's already possible with abuse of AI) they will triangulate who I am, they will even reach possibly to phone numbers...
No way. And for who to judge me? For you to be judging me I should share stuff? I am not stupid, you think I am. Go ahead and read and do your part instead to be eating pop corns.

(and "What I posted"? I can tell you what I posted: I simply shared what could and should and must be done and wasn't done, I posted a small list of things that was actually relative to the UX and in is massively known and a fact that the game lacks those things.

How can a community work without Online status, Offline players sent message log, 5 clicks to reach a person for a "wishper" (DM) 5 CLIckS!!!
No player search bar, No hyper text navigation but only 1 tab at a time, terrible design (art), use of capital lettering instead of italics, uninspired use of Golden Yellow and general low resolution background ... There are things that can be done easily, servers need to be payed to run and be stable.. it's full of reports and I have a ton of people that drop during game, crash and so on... the hot fix MUST come for patch introduced issues withing 24 or 48 h... When a patch comes to boost\nerf stuff it has to be rare and anyway EVERYTHING needs to be explained (Why you do so, what is the logic behind that?)... It's a low low low low cost production and it's not a DEFINITive edition. At all.. and DLC introduce OP civs and matchmaking and.. and and.. please I will stop here. it's NOT MY DESIRE; it's facts it's stuff that is objective. It's not like this u care about an RTS and such a brand. You destroy it like that.

trust me, they can read this they already know I am the same person ..Anyway try to write a critical statement on @ ageofempires twitter, and DO IT YOURSELF: you will see that within 24 hours your accounts will all be blocked.
Try to go in Steam forums (after all just a platform to sell stuff where marketing "moderators" do look well to allow people to criticize or ask question that are doubtful about a product... in my history the worse has been Hinterland Games, a fascist Canadian company that literally harassed me and shut be up and started to cover me with accusations on steam... because I dared to ask question on how the game works and fan boys their squadrons of beating thugs unleashed on me with their approval.. no wonder they even hire these under cover "volunteers"... and of course it was a same stuff: Warning and ban and perma ban ... Because steam after all is there to sell, not to improve game quality: and GUESS WHAT?

Piracy doesn't die, and grows, people get worse and worse game quality, beta testing has been outsourced (not even always) but arrogantly on paying "players" and Quality assessment sometimes have been even CUT!!

Same does Steam they warn me, ban me, they apply this MAFIA FASCIST pressure in order to make sure you shut up.
This is the world of videogames and people many people left because this is what has become in the last 30+ years ... with suffocating "silent laws" of Omertà and so on...

"I spread a good word on your game, you give me something else".

AOE III is an insult to previous AOE to videogames design, to the players, to anyone. And this needs to be fixed.

USE THE TOOLS that the communities, all of us have obtained making them become part of law and customs, tools given to everyone to prevent abuses. Stop being passive on abuses.

Even if VALVE CORPORATION internal, use the Flag in the Store pages of the biggest games distrubutor (steam) platform,
USe metacritic (when they suddenly non lock the reviews, just register in 1 second it's easy)
Use the steam reviews
Use the forums
Use the twitter
Use the damn gift of the word to actually make sure things are transparent and public.

Why they have done this to us? We want a damn game and respect., we are here to pay, we are not criminals, someone else is acting like them.

Enough.

Please do not lose the focus on simple issues that needs to be assessed with an investment of work, money, time and passion, that is what makes people make do good games, the passion not the money they might get from buyers.
If you are competent about programming you do the game otherwise you don't do it or you hire people.

The incredible stuff is the lack of assessment that the game must be Quality assessed by producer internal process that it is a must in past and also modern game design and previous to release. There is no doubt that no Internal control has been done nor external.
It is clear that stuff like this cannot be published.

It's like Going ahead wiuthout knowing history.
You must learn at least 1 version of history before damn going into working in political organizations (to make an example) you cannot go ahead without following the method, the process being competent about something makes you free of bias, makes you respectful of others.
This stuff has been done by totally out of any respect crew that doesn't or worse DOES understand you cannot push a game without ahving such thiungs such standards .. and yet they ahve realesed it !

3 years ago.

You cannot count on third party tools .. you can involve it, but not count on them "so I don't have to do that because other - maybe - will do it".
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This is what happens when you write a message to an offline player in AOE III Definitive Edition:

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scene taken from Jurassic park (the original movie)

and think about it:

you have no tools to find a player unless you have played against or with them, but if you haven't added them, you can't phisically add these people, you need to do it immediately... otherwise they are gone.
It's just... mind blowing.
It's like having a non-community and believing this is ok, it's like thinking a game can run with offline, skirmish, campaign and a bunch of historical battles. It's INcredible foolishness.

Implement the things anybody sane has asked for. It's not me me me, it's us.
Do it for the good of AOE III brand, for Microsoft, do it for the damn honor and respect, to be game designer.
Implement a damn working recorded game system (a russian programmer used to do a third party trick and published it in order to make people accessing older games RECORDINGS that patches locked out from use) without making old recorded games un-usable (crucial stuff for RTS communities!!). RTS is like a sport: you watch yourself to become better, you observe what you did or other did and you become a better PLAYER!

A RTS is based on learning, it's real time strategy, it's not sim city. How damn we got here ? I know it. How we got here and I know many of us ignore how it is possible this is happening in gaming design and world, and all should document themselves before talking.

It's appalling what is happening and being allowed.

When there are events, they make history, when someone releases games or does bad things and that is being normalized, when someone speaks up and ask for something, criticizes and is eliminated, banned, silenced isolated, insulted, threatened that becomes norm!: then expect storms, expect inhabitability, unplaybility, frustration , toxicity, hate, damage, loss.

Game design, playing is not cash, it's not money. Streamers also have destroyed this culture, becoming the medium, there are SO few content creators today, most call themselves so, but they are just tools, they have become the tools, they don't use the tool, they are used by the tool (this stuff is explained years ago by McLuhan and many others).

Streamers have become: I make money, not about I make gaming better, I show how to play, no instead "I am a performer, a money machine": I make money.
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Someone should also dare explain how can a Matchmaking work when people break it with smurf accounts!!
If people go around the match making elo with that system of triple or more accounts of course the game is never gonna have balanced matches.
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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Matchmaking tonight: 3 v 3 random -

Meeting people that do not even do troops after 10 15 minutes and even given like 20 minutes to boom they don't even know how to fight.. just sending troops against an enemy that I previously scouted with big mass... If this is the level of community this game is utter trash

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