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I read some of my own guide back and remembered the fun times, considering playing some DE. Need some takes about how bad the DE meta is compared to the RE patch and/or EP meta. Is it a cringefest or playable? Be honest, I will hold you personally liable if you say it's playable and I then later find out it's a cringefest. I'm not interested in any of the new civs and will ban them from my customs, don't plan on playing any ladder.

I already tried playing DE once but quit after like 2 games because there was a problem with the find unit hotkeys. It seemed like it was impossible to double tap a find hotkey to go to the unit? So if you had 2 japanese or indian explorers for example and had a find explorer hotkey, double tapping that didn't pan to the first explorer but selected the second. Is this fixed?

Also, where to find people to play with these days?
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I feel like the bugs are probably fixed and that the game runs well. I highly doubt the design of the game is what it used to be. Even legacy civs have a bunch of changes to their mechanics and probably not for the better.

I'm sure the game has become nothing but a lame fest. Of course, I don't play the game. I'm wondering what a high level player would say about the game now. Do mechanics matter? does strategy? or is it just build orders
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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Goodspeed wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 13:22
I read some of my own guide back and remembered the fun times, considering playing some DE. Need some takes about how bad the DE meta is compared to the RE patch and/or EP meta. Is it a cringefest or playable? Be honest, I will hold you personally liable if you say it's playable and I then later find out it's a cringefest. I'm not interested in any of the new civs and will ban them from my customs, don't plan on playing any ladder.

I already tried playing DE once but quit after like 2 games because there was a problem with the find unit hotkeys. It seemed like it was impossible to double tap a find hotkey to go to the unit? So if you had 2 japanese or indian explorers for example and had a find explorer hotkey, double tapping that didn't pan to the first explorer but selected the second. Is this fixed?

Also, where to find people to play with these days?
big bad gs wanting to return

i started playing a few games recently after like 10 or so years

the issue with selecting explorer is fixed

i haven’t played much, but the only times it’s been a cringe fest is when i’ve been in games with people playing the new civs tbh

before i started playing again i read your guide back again a little bit too

should definitely come back and get a feel for it and make your own opinion for sure

if you do decide to give it a go hmu and ill happily play some games with you like back in the the old days, be nice to see a familiar name back from when i mostly played :flowers:
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Are you planning to play team or 1v1? In team it can be really hard if you face a couple of new civs that boom hard and spam out lot's of unknown units.
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Playable.

The unfinished release product has been finished (in game). The client interface is still worse than ESO.

The game is not very cringe with new civs banned from your customs. Cringe elements would be new revolts and techs on existing civs. But you played legacy with old Han China and aztec hero but FI, so I don’t think there’s much here worse than that.

There will be new natives. You can get these native posts for 100f and 100w and have them build automatically with only LOS. Especially European native posts are significant and introduce MOBA big button abilities and a plethora of booming opportunities. Some are quite cool imo (Akan, vasa, Oldenburg). Others literally stun your entire enemy’s army for 5 seconds, for free. The annoying ones spit out free units from the socket every so often. Woodpusher says nats = water (needs contesting).

There are new mercs and merc shipments, and 3 organ guns. Dutch can ship some musks in age 2 for 500c. Buffed capitalism really changes a lot of things for Spain and Otto. Otto is maybe cringe. China tea export is meta. More reliable good treasures on maps to expedite builds. Aztec has a 7 or 9 minute right click build shipping units for 500c. Stagecoach still good. Water still requires contesting. A lot more FIs in DE than legacy (and not with Germany).

Not that you will play ladder, but ladder is all tp maps. Tournaments still have no tp maps interspersed.

CM is nerfed which is good. Tags are fixed from way back in the day. Shock inf obstruction radius increased.

That said, there are many builds on DE that feel like they can’t be punished and remain very strong but not unbeatable (port, Spain, Otto come to mind).
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Also, where to find people to play with these days?
No idea, but I'd be down to play a few games with you if you want. I haven't played much the last couple of years though, so I won't be up to date with the meta on some civs
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callentournies wrote:
29 Oct 2024, 01:43
The game is not very cringe with new civs banned from your customs. Cringe elements would be new revolts and techs on existing civs. But you played legacy with old Han China and aztec hero but FI, so I don’t think there’s much here worse than that.
Aztec FI was after my time actually, and OHR was never really a problem iirc. The lamest things I had to deal with were Dutch and Japan in early TAD, musk+huss on ASFP and Iro and Otto on RE patch but all I really played was customs and it was rare for people to pick the lame civs and do lame things.
There will be new natives. You can get these native posts for 100f and 100w and have them build automatically with only LOS. Especially European native posts are significant and introduce MOBA big button abilities and a plethora of booming opportunities. Some are quite cool imo (Akan, vasa, Oldenburg). Others literally stun your entire enemy’s army for 5 seconds, for free. The annoying ones spit out free units from the socket every so often. Woodpusher says nats = water (needs contesting).
This sounds highly problematic, I will probably ban all this too, good to know thanks.

It sounds like other than that the changes have been fairly mild so that's nice
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ban ports (3organ gun 300c now instead of 2organ)
and otto have a 2nd HI trainable from rax which counters goons at range and is like an pike when melee with 4.5 speed, a bit more expensive than pikes, ban otto getting industrial as well, it's too much DE then cba explaining

edit: british have an age 1 card which makes aging up faster with TPs, need to kill TPs against british when they have more than 2 tps, it allows them to do an spanish Church like timing, but cheaper and not strong followup
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Just find yourself a fellow rusty old man from back in the day to play vs, maybe someone renowned for their team gameplay and tilt in tournaments, maybe badspeed.
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DE online interface is very frustrating when you know ESO, it is hard to use and you can't do as many things as you could with ESO.

Ports do have 3 organs guns for 300 :coin: but no mamelukes anymore :ohmy: (reference to your guide "thanks God for Mamelukes" :flowers: ) they also have a "1 field gun in age III or 3 field guns in age IV" card. Also they can make guard and imp xbows and pikes
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I'm also discovering DE and not playing the (maybe cringe) new civs, learning new cards revos natives and maps is already huge enough
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@CuCkO0 @Mitoe This week, I should be able to play weekdays from 9 to 5 CET. After this week, I have no idea when or if I will play

Hmu on discord if this works for you, username mart90

Is there not some discord where people go to find games? Is everyone just laddering now?
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@CuCkO0 You said the find unit hotkey snapping to unit on double tap is fixed, but this doesn't seem to be the case, maybe my settings are wrong. How have you managed to make this work?

Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. I mean that when you have multiple of the same type of unit and double tap the find unit hotkey, I want the camera to go to that unit. I don't want it to go to the unit on single tap. So I'm playing with "Find hotkeys snap to unit" disabled. In legacy, you could double tap to still snap to the unit. Now this seems impossible.

I guess I have to set a hotkey for "snap to selected unit" then.
EDIT: Wait, does that exist?
EDIT2: It's "Find selection", which is the exception to the "Find hotkeys snap to unit" setting in that it does snap to the unit even with that disabled. Intuitive stuff.
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Goodspeed wrote:
29 Oct 2024, 10:30
@CuCkO0 @Mitoe This week, I should be able to play weekdays from 9 to 5 CET. After this week, I have no idea when or if I will play

Hmu on discord if this works for you, username mart90

Is there not some discord where people go to find games? Is everyone just laddering now?
That's 2am - 10am for me, unfortunately not a good time.

The discord servers I'm aware of are inactive, but maybe there are some new ones around.
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aoe3 DE is 50Gb to install lol. that's such a meme. I have flight sims installed that take up less space than that.

ugh I sort of wanna try to play again as well but is it going to be worth it?

and yeah I'm a monkey that sees someone do something and does the same
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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iNcog wrote:
29 Oct 2024, 22:59
aoe3 DE is 50Gb to install lol. that's such a meme. I have flight sims installed that take up less space than that.

ugh I sort of wanna try to play again as well but is it going to be worth it?

and yeah I'm a monkey that sees someone do something and does the same
worth it? probs not?

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iNcog wrote:
29 Oct 2024, 22:59
ugh I sort of wanna try to play again as well but is it going to be worth it?
Dew it! Even though it's gimmicky there is still so much to discover as somenoe who has been away for a long time.
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Goodspeed wrote:
29 Oct 2024, 10:42
@CuCkO0 You said the find unit hotkey snapping to unit on double tap is fixed, but this doesn't seem to be the case, maybe my settings are wrong. How have you managed to make this work?

Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. I mean that when you have multiple of the same type of unit and double tap the find unit hotkey, I want the camera to go to that unit. I don't want it to go to the unit on single tap. So I'm playing with "Find hotkeys snap to unit" disabled. In legacy, you could double tap to still snap to the unit. Now this seems impossible.

I guess I have to set a hotkey for "snap to selected unit" then.
EDIT: Wait, does that exist?
EDIT2: It's "Find selection", which is the exception to the "Find hotkeys snap to unit" setting in that it does snap to the unit even with that disabled. Intuitive stuff.
Yeah, it doesn't work for me either. Did you get this to work?
When playing Asian civs, I want it to move from one explorer to the other only on double tapping and the camera pans to the said explorer.
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No I just set a hotkey for "Find selection" and use that to snap to the unit
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are you enjoying it
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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Yeah Callen was right it's playable. Problem is finding people to play with. The lobby population is clearly casual players only, I guess everyone else is playing ladder. Need to get an obs crew going like back in the day, who's in??
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Goodspeed wrote:
31 Oct 2024, 07:59
Yeah Callen was right it's playable. Problem is finding people to play with. The lobby population is clearly casual players only, I guess everyone else is playing ladder. Need to get an obs crew going like back in the day, who's in??
Most people talk over Steam or Discord and arrange games that way. Ingame friends list is better than at the start but still not half as good as legacy.
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Goodspeed wrote:
30 Oct 2024, 06:51
No I just set a hotkey for "Find selection" and use that to snap to the unit
I can't figure out how to snap to TC when I have multiple TCs. In legacy, it worked but for some reason on DE, double-tapping with multiple TCs seems to just cycle for me.
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I feel like it worked for me but I can’t remember. Are y’all using l fact hotkey setup?
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I fact hotkey setup?

I'm using Legacy bindings. I have the Hotkeys Snap to Unit setting turned off. My Find Town Center hotkey is "T" which I think is the default Legacy hotkey. So with 1 TC, snap to TC works when I doubletap. But not if there's multiple TCs. It will just go to the first TC on the first tap, and the second TC on the second tap.

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