New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
this thread,, we've determined that there are 210 possible civ matchups currently in DE with more to potentially come as a result of new civs. I have missed the old MU of the Month threads from legacy, so I wanted to start something similar. But the only way we are going to get through these MUs in a reasonable amount of time (and before the devs shake everything up with a patch) is by doing this on an expedited timeframe. The other thing I've noticed is that even when there were MU of the Month threads, most answers in the threads came within a few days of the thread being posted-- they were really matchups of the week, with large lulls in between. So instead, I give you, the MU of the Month Week!
You can find all the old MUs here
I just saw a really good game on stream between Kevin and Frontline, so it inspired me to make this week's matchup as....
France vs. Haudenosaunee/Iro vs. What is the meta between these two civs currently?
What is Haud's goal in this MU, and what is France's goal?
Which civ is favored, and which civ is at a disadvantage?
What maps favor which civ?
We're back. Based on some conversations and high level math in You can find all the old MUs here
I just saw a really good game on stream between Kevin and Frontline, so it inspired me to make this week's matchup as....
France vs. Haudenosaunee/Iro vs. What is the meta between these two civs currently?
What is Haud's goal in this MU, and what is France's goal?
Which civ is favored, and which civ is at a disadvantage?
What maps favor which civ?
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musketeer925
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Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
Here's what some guides say:
kevinitalien's Haudenosaunee Guide (2022)
kevinitalien's Haudenosaunee Guide (2022)
Complete France Guide - by Diarouga (2017)an easy mu for hauds because hauds is just faster with better units
Build recommended : Fast Fortress, Semi FF 15 toma 4 kanya, Semi FF stage coach
Are these out-of-date, or still accurate?Iro: In this match-up, you'll need to use your coureurs a lot to defend. That's why I would go for the "standard opening" because 700w won't be useful in that situation while 4vills would. Open with a stable knowing that Iro's anti cav isn't the best, and try to age when you stabilize. The only way you beat his army is by massing cuirassiers with the 2 falcs shipment.
If he goes for a fortress build, follow him and go skirm/goon this time, make sure you have more skirms than him
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Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
I'm noob so I don't have any answer. But why does Kevin say "hauds is just faster with better units" ? which Iro units are better than France's ones, except Forest Prowlers ?
Also, how should Iro defend against vet musk + falcs ?
Also, how should Iro defend against vet musk + falcs ?
Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
Surely this switched heavily in favor of France because of Iro nerfs and Fre buffs. Especially 12/10 and the nat embassy card make it a lot easier to defend vs rushes. Other than that musk semi and 2 falcs is still sort of a problem for iro who basicaly have to either commit to age2 or FF without units (toma semi you age up exactly in time to get 2 falcs in your face with no real answer).
But idk, maybe old iro fast age2 is still challenging.
But idk, maybe old iro fast age2 is still challenging.



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Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
FP are better than skirms, musket riders are a competitive goon unit, Kenya are worse than cuirs but Iro gets a 5 cuir shipment. Add in war dance and Iro army is definitely better. France makes up for it with better eco having access to tier 2 market and cdbs. Musk falc is dealt with I believe with just a fp/musket rider mass and waiting for a good angle to snipe the falc and poking musk with fp any time they step too far forward while staying barely out of falc range. Idk who should win the mu though.P i k i l i c wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 17:44I'm noob so I don't have any answer. But why does Kevin say "hauds is just faster with better units" ? which Iro units are better than France's ones, except Forest Prowlers ?
Also, how should Iro defend against vet musk + falcs ?
steniothejonjoe wrote:I can micro better than 99% of the player base and that's 100% objective

Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
Ye I mean the problem is that even with a sub 7 min FF you will have something like 10fp and 5mr when the 2 falcs knock on the door. Basically you rely on a good pop to take them off which idk if it works vs a French player who know exactly how the MU works, plus on DE iro units are nerfed so they don't even beat French ones by much.



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Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
pretty much yesGarja wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 19:30Surely this switched heavily in favor of France because of Iro nerfs and Fre buffs. Especially 12/10 and the nat embassy card make it a lot easier to defend vs rushes. Other than that musk semi and 2 falcs is still sort of a problem for iro who basicaly have to either commit to age2 or FF without units (toma semi you age up exactly in time to get 2 falcs in your face with no real answer).
But idk, maybe old iro fast age2 is still challenging.
this aint true anymore, you need a combat card for having same stat and they train 3 secs slowerdicktator_ wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 20:22FP are better than skirmsP i k i l i c wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 17:44I'm noob so I don't have any answer. But why does Kevin say "hauds is just faster with better units" ? which Iro units are better than France's ones, except Forest Prowlers ?
Also, how should Iro defend against vet musk + falcs ?




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Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
Right, forgot about the FP nerf. Yeah I guess it's just France favored then since Iro has been nerfed all around.kevinitalien wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 09:13this aint true anymore, you need a combat card for having same stat and they train 3 secs slowerdicktator_ wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 20:22FP are better than skirmsP i k i l i c wrote: ↑17 Jan 2025, 17:44I'm noob so I don't have any answer. But why does Kevin say "hauds is just faster with better units" ? which Iro units are better than France's ones, except Forest Prowlers ?
Also, how should Iro defend against vet musk + falcs ?
steniothejonjoe wrote:I can micro better than 99% of the player base and that's 100% objective

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Re: New MU of the Week: France vs. Haud/Iro
This mu used to be easy pz for Haude, now its a big struggle.
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