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We are talkin' EPL 5, the thread where we discuss the EPL 5 season and speculate about matchups, who is washed, and who might be undervalued, Moneyball style. It's the big leagues, so welcome to The Show. We've got a great cast of returning players and some shakeups in management that are sure to provide a great season. The draft results can be found here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... y=lossless

Let's break down the teams. I'm going to give each team a "WASHD" score, which evaluates the relative level of how out of practice / rusty their respective returning players are. Then at the end I will place my overall predictions. Of course, these evaluations could change as we are still in the period where trades are possible!

Somali-Kabuli Gaming
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The strangest EPL team name, SKG has had mediocre to decent showings in past seasons, taking second in EPL1, sixth in EPL 2, and sitting out EPL 3 and 4. Very excited to see them back and looking to prove themselves this season. Frontline was drafted for the second highest amount after Julian and is sure to be a strong contender, having won the ESOC 2024 grand finals vs. Keturboy but under-performing a bit in the 2025 tourney against Phoenix. Good thing Phoenix isn't playing! Frontline will certainly be their top seed and will have to face down Keturboy, JulianK, and either Aizamk or Soldier. I don't predict the first two of these MUs being particularly easy for FL, but I don't see him being swept either and he may pull off an impressive performance. Tabben and Ezad have some recent tourney experience as well but it is unclear how much they are currently playing on the ladder. Kevin and Dennis are quite active on the ladder, and are great pickups on the mid-lower end, IMO. Hawk_Girl is an unknown but could come in clutch in certain MUs. Overall, SKG has a very strong lineup with no clear weak points. I give SKG one of the lowest potential WASHD scores of 1 out of 5.

Curassier Management Co.
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Managed previously by Guigs and TheNameDaniel, CMC has under-performed relative to their often star-studded rosters in EPL seasons, taking second in EPL 1 and 2, coming third in EPL 3, and coming second in EPL 4. Now with Kaiserklein at the helm, CMC is looking for their first win. They look quite stacked indeed, at least on paper. JulianK, the highest bid on player in the draft, is generally extremely dominant in tournament settings, and doesn't seem to suffer from rust the way other players do, despite taking a fairly long break from tournament and ladder player. Psionic will surely be a fun watch, being very active on ladder after recently adopting the game from SC2. Undoubtedly already a top tier player in terms of mechanics, he will have to prove that he can handle the pressure / mindset challenge of his first aoe3 tourney and overcome a small civ pool. Lionheart was a great pickup-- despite his meme / content creator status, he always seems to overperform in tournament settings, with a great sense for how to punish players and a strong capacity to avoid tilting. The real questions for CMC are the returning giants Mitoe, Turk, and Conqueror. Whether or not they shake off the rust will be a determining factor for CMC's success. Since these three players all have been pretty inactive from the competitive scene, I give CMC a fairly high WASHD score, 3 out of 5.

Hudson Bay BIGs
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It's great to see the Bigs back in action, and I always enjoy Kaister's managerial style so I am happy to see him carry on the tradition started by previous managers Noel (EPL 2, 3) and Lionheart (EPL 4). The Bigs have a decent EPL record despite a rocky start, having sat out EPL 1, come in fourth in EPL 2, rocketed to the top to win EPL 3, and then come in third in EPL 4. Keturboy, Optimus, and Minimoult make up the top seeded players. Keturboy for 2950 coins was probably a steal given his recent dominant performance in the 2025 ESOC tourney, but we will have to see how well he adapts to the EPL format where every game counts. Optimus at his prime could take a series against any of the best players on the board here, but he, along with Minimoult, Rohbrot, and Lukas are all potentially a bit rusty, unless I've been missing these players on the ladder. ShakeVentiVenti remains active but has variable tourney performances that seem to depend a lot on matchups. The BIGs, like CMC, have variable outcomes based on how much they can unrust the middle of the bracket. I give them the highest potential WASHD score, 4 out of 5.

Mandarin Duck Squad
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I'm personally biased to support the best-named team in the league, MDS, under exciting new management by up-and-coming content star Barron after a long tenure by Duck. MDS has a mixed record, having come fourth in EPL 1, winning EPL 2, coming fourth in EPL 3, and coming fourth in EPL 4. This season, MDS has the deepest roster, but is perhaps disadvantaged by their lack of a true tier 1 seed, someone who could go toe-to-toe with the likes of Frontline, Julian, or Keturboy. Aizamk will have to shoulder this burden, and hopefully he can return to his old 2015-2019 form, where he was taking games off _H2O and diarouga. His unrusting and willingness to learn and play the new DE meta will be a major factor here. Alternatively, MDS might also have a path to victory if they can force unusual pairings. Sometimes you can cede a good pair in the top seed and make up games through favorable matchups in the lower tiers, with strong low-seeded players like Warsword, Grogu, Batu, and Ivongoat. The relative unknowns are Soldier and TheNameDaniel. Soldier was a steal, in my opinion, at 2700, since he has been quite active and is performing near the top of his game, mastering new DE civs and putting in the work to refine his mechanics. He might have to carry the burden of facing off against top seeds if Aiz is too rusty, though he might be put to better use as a dominant second-tier bully against washed former greats like Mitoe, Tabben, or Minimoult. Daniel will also have to unrust significantly. He could similarly potentially play top-seed games, but much depends on how much he is able to adapt and train for the new meta. Overall, I give MDS a fairly low WASHD score, 2 out of 5.

Predictions
My rankings for overall team strength right now are:
1. SKG
2. CMC
3. BIGs
4. MDS


Overall, I have to give the edge to SKG on paper. Frontline, Ezad, Tabben, Kevin, and Dennis are going to be very formidable to match against. If CMC can unrust Turk, Mitoe, and Conqueror, it might tip the edge in their favor, but currently I would put them in 2nd despite how dominant JulianK will be. The BIGs have similar problems with rust but a slightly less stacked lineup behind their top seed, Keturboy, which inclines me to rank them 3rd. I'm sad to say that I have to rank MDS in last place as of now, since Aiz/Soldier/Daniel (whoever they pick) will suffer against other top seed players Julian, Frontline and Keturboy. However, their deep, quality roster in the lower tiers means they could provide some big upsets that none of us see coming yet. If Soldier can overperform and Daniel and Aiz can unrust, I could see a stronger MDS showing than anyone is currently expecting. As a caveat, I still think the field is extremely close. These rankings are based on very slim margins and assumptions about rust and inactivity that might prove meaningless or different than expected. It could go any way!

For me, the players to keep an eye on as potentially undervalued and capable of big upsets include Dennis (SKG), Psionic (CMC), ShakeVentiVenti (BIGs), and Warsword (MDS). The player I'm most excited to watch is Psionic-- his phenomenal rise on the ladder through his SC2 mechanics has been the highlight of non-tourney play in 2025, bringing some new life and new blood to the AoE3 scene. It will be a privilege to watch his first foray into the tournament setting.

We are still also in the period where trades are possible. MDS and BIGs probably have the most to benefit from trading, but nothing comes to mind as an obvious play for any of the teams as of yet. I'll update these predictions if any major shakeups occur.

Missing of course from this season are the venerable Nilla Ninjas, the Garjonians, the New World Challengers, the Blockhouse Boomers, and the Semi-FF Gang, relegated down to ECL! When will we see their triumphant return to the big stage?
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MDS have historically a lower bar for success than other teams as all it entails is sending the Mandarin Duck Squad card at least once during the season. Hopefully the team can step up.
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Think Bigs are the favourites to win with skg being a close second, cmc relies heavily on how well psionic will perform as the rest of the roster is heavily WASHD , mds is just cooked.
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This lineup will bring my 3rd consecutive EPL victory as a manager! It gets whole lot easier when you're not forced to draft Somppukunkku
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@Squamiger @callentournies how bout some unbiased predictions?
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unbiased predictus.

[MDS] Aizamk vs [BIG] Optimus_Prime

Carrying over comet tradition we don't predict Opti series. And doubly we cannot predict any rusty/trolly Aiz series as well. And maybe two sources of noise constructively interfere or destructively interfere so this one could go 5-0 in either favor or anywhere in between. And I am the preeminent analyst. The result could be any one of the possible results. None do it better.

[SKG] Ezad vs [CMC] Mitoe

recused for conflict of interest. but 5-0 mitoe if he had MDS buff, which he does not. 4-1 Ezad. non-compete clause shattered. see you in court.

[BIG] Keturboy vs [MDS] TheNameDanieLOW

I guess if you don't have a tier one player you chuck some rando no one in the ESOC twitch chat had ever heard of vs the most promising young phenom since Hazza5413 in the hopes of getting a single favorable pairing. Daniel was the first person I saw raid with stealth Shinobi on DE release and that stuck with me. If I recall when active he was a top 15-ish blayer with Japan and France and pretty good but that was 4 years ago. Dan runs in the same circle as thelastsamurai who once asked skirmywirmy "who the hell are you" in a discord voice channel when skirmy gave an opinion on a MU when skirmy had three accounts in the top 3 (the original rank 1 g*mer) and that was funny to me. I don't know what Dan's been up to but presumably he runs CSGO with the boys which is not the same as playing aoe3. FFP says he's played 16 games since FFP started tracking games, which is a lot less than 1100 Baja games in 4 months that his teammate has played, so there's no hope for him and MDS's general morale leaves something to be desired, to grind to get good.

5-0 Keturboy unless they both launch CSGO by accident and 1v1 AWP.

[SKG] Frontline vs [CMC] JulianPotassium

The cost of hosting the website to sell the guides has eclipsed the amount the guides have sold for so Jullian is back to needing to earn bread. But he has a higher aura from not playing a game which people sometimes get frustrated playing which doesn't much help his chances in a series but gives him good high ground to be more esteemed than thou which is very scary indeed. FL decided playing aoe2 and aoe4 was better practice for his semi finals aoe3 match than playing aoe3. It sounds less absurd when you realize playing aoe3 is playing vs botto, mexiclow, uspay2win, and whatever 50 easy, powerful, annoying bilds ppl spam which is why I want FL to make DE EP (DEEP) which I'll never play because my aura is too powerful to ever play aoe3 again.

So if one player plays aoe3 to prepare for aoe3 and the other player plays other games to prepare for aoe3 even with the state of the ladder I am going to give the edge to the aoe3 player, which is the inactive JulianPotassium.

3-2 Julian.

[SKG] Tabben vs [CMC] Psionic
psionic is very strong because he sort of plays the game like pros play chess. from what i see he understands the relative value of his units fulfilling certain tasks and is not afraid to for example sacrifice some villagers to gather certain resource that is lacking in comparison to his opponents saving the villagers but they get to be idle for next 40 seconds. obviously he's got good micro etc. but i feel like in comparison to other players he has that deep strategical understanding of the situation and the abilyty to evaluate it and certain actions very well
this is impeccable from a member of lionheart's YouTube community and who am I to try to offer any more salient or sage analysis, my days being behind me.

psionic's understanding of the relative value of his units fulfilling certain tasks, and using his villagers to gather certain resources that is lacking in comparison to his opponent's, and his deep strategical understanding to evaluate certain actions very well, and with Kaiserklein's coaching (which will not matter btw, because psionic comes from the mookie school of not giving a shite what the meta is, and figuring everything out himself spamming iterative process of suboptimal builds because it is fun for him) COULD trounce tabben but I think also tabben will do strong builds well and see success. He has to not succumb to the weird shenanigans of psionic when he maneuvers all weird like around the map and outplays when he's a little behind. But how to predict these games when half of the players aren't active and the other half aren't established.

3-2 for [JACKD] (I am) TABBEN

[MDS] Soldier vs [BIG] Rohbrot

Soldier finally giving a shite about grinding down the stubborn carapace of rust that has made of that guy who beat h2o in a German mirror in a tournament an unrecognizable blob of oxidized iron. or one wolf in him is trying, and the other wolf in him wants to play random civ random revolt and lose to 1800s to upload it to YouTube. Rohbrot will clicky clicky doggo Falco roddo war wagon dop Falco and be generally a difficult nut to crack but I think he can be prepared against remarkably well but preparation doesn't make for good YouTube videos which I'm not hating on btw I watch lionheart YouTube content.

3-2 rohbrot

[SKG] Hawk vs [CMC] Conquerer

One of my big wishes is to see conq return to his former scary sup glory guy of winning minor tournaments in ESOC's heyday but we hang to our past accomplishments like climbers to crags, and the crags stay static like that for millennia and our forearms tire after some minutes. But DE quick search experience is the equivalent of someone coating the rock face in grease so climbing the ol girl again is not fun and even scary, unless you bypass the knee bars and the tricky holds and transitions and let your buddy electrically hoist you up the equivalent of playing Mexico and USA gimmicks, like hawk_girl, who I'm still salty at for saying I lack all logics and can only click fast as if quick search, and climbing rock, is a game to optimize and at all costs reach the top as fast as possible, with as little effort as possible, rather than something more meandering and less serious.

I have no idea how to call this one. AFAIK nothing is banned. Therefore, Hawk 4-1, much as it pains me. Dick, prove me wrong (please).

[BIG] LukasLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL vs [MDS] Grogu

I tire typing. Grogu 3-2. I like that he streams one game late NA nights then hops off. I like that Lukas keeps signing up for tournies but I've never seen him play qs, except when I beat his lowkota with Brit tower FI piki piki Roger Roger rocket rocket età uno molto lungo on svanna, and his Germany with it on gran chaco <3

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I'll give this one a go with completely biaised predictions :

[SKG] 11 vs 9 [CMC] :

[SKG] Kévin (?) vs (?) [CMC] Iamturk : already know the score, silent as a stone

[SKG] Frontline 1 vs 4 [CMC] JulianK : NA#1 vs the GOAT : I don't think Julian is that rusty and I can see him do well vs Frontline, could go 2-3 tho

[SKG] Ezad 3 vs 2 [CMC] Mitoe : 2 rusty boys afaik, still think Mitoe plays style does well vs Ezad so I can see a close series with the garjonian taking it Ezad taking it

[SKG] Tabben 4 vs 1 [CMC] Psionic : Although psionic grinds like a mad man and got skills, still think he's gonna get DE bullshitted by Tabben who's got much more game knowledge (pretty good on DE) and who can also play well in more standarish games. Tabben could drop 1 or 2 games due to the excessive brainrot developped by weeks of otto QS tho, no cap on god

[SKG] 3 Hawk vs 2 [CMC] Conquerer : I have no idea on how active Conquerer is atm. Hawk 3-2 by meta civs question mark (no baja tho)

[MDS] 9 vs 16 [HBB] :

[MDS] TheNameDaniel 0 - 5 [HBB] Keturboy : Well dan spent his last 2 years in jail (I heard he's specialized in electronics : TVs, laptops...etc.) while keturboy is both french and got turkish mecCchanicCcs, doesn't seem fair. Think Daniel's magic in EPL ends here but I'd be happily surprise if he could prove me wrong once again.

[MDS] Aizamk 2 vs 3 [HBB] Optimus : Both can pull off some magic, could go either way. I believe in opti's magic a bit more tho, 3-2 godptimus

[MDS] Soldier 2 vs 3 [HBB] Rohbrot : Everytime I think rohbrot is gonna get stomped in a tourney, he wins so I'm done. Musko falco ftw

[MDS] Warsword 4 vs 1 [HBB] Minimoult : I think Warsword is a sleeper player in this tourney, I expect either 4-1 or 3-2

[MDS] Grogu 1 vs 4 [HBB] Lukas : Playstyle things, I think lukas is suited to grogu civs and strats and should cruise
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unbiased predictions:

[SKG] 16 vs 9 [CMC] :

[SKG] Kévin (3) vs (2) [CMC] Iamturk.
Well apparently this already happened, but my guess would be 3-2 for Kevin. Kevin should probably 5-0 vs a very rusty Turk given how active he's been, but he often underperforms in tournies.

[SKG] Frontline 1 vs 4 [CMC] JulianK. Gotta agree with Guigs here, Julian just doesn't ever seem rusty despite taking time off the game. And he's not really that rusty, he's just been playing in the Treaty tourney. And apparently dominating so hard that the treaty community literally made a Julian specific rule, which is that Julian isn't allowed to play any civ more than once for the entire tourney, while everyone else gets to play whatever they want. Frontline will put up a strong fight but he will have to get super lucky to get past 1-4.

[SKG] Ezad 4 vs 1 [CMC] Mitoe. Unless Mitoe has been secretly lobbying, I think Ezad has played quite a bit more in recent days so I'm going to give the edge to him.

[SKG] Tabben 4 vs 1 [CMC] Psionic. Agreed with Guigs here. I wonder if Psionic has kind of hit a plateau after a fast climb, where he is limited by his lack of knowledge about the most optimal way to play each matchup. Insane APM only gets you so far. The Kaiser-Psionic showmatch was really exciting but it was clear that Kaiser just knew how to play the MUs much better than Psionic did and that made the games not really as close as they could have been. If Psionic actually learns proper meta from Kaiser he could be a GOAT, but I don't think he's put in that work yet and you can't get that kind of coaching in the next day or two, you need like a month at least.

[SKG] 4 Hawk vs 1 [CMC] Conquerer. Going w Callen here, but no idea really beyond a gut feeling that Conqueror isn't in top form.



[MDS] 11 vs 14 [HBB] :

[MDS] TheNameDaniel 1 - 4 [HBB] Keturboy. Keturboy is a rising star and just too good, but Daniel overperforms in tournies so I will predict he might get a single game if he can get a good counterpick with a civ he has had time to de-rust.

[MDS] Aizamk 0 vs 5 [HBB] Optimus. Unfortunately for MDS I think Opti is just much more magical than Aiz has the capacity to be these days. But I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

[MDS] Soldier 2 vs 3 [HBB] Rohbrot.
It will be close with Rohbrot taking it, through the power of musko-falco. I predict it will be an extremely exciting series with close games, at least.

[MDS] Warsword 3 vs 2 [HBB] Minimoult. Agreed, Warsword is a sleeper GOAT of this tourney, but the Moult is no pushover either and should be able to at least take 2 games.

[MDS] Grogu 5 vs 0 [HBB] Lukas. Perhaps my boldest and most-based-on-gut-feeling prediction. Lukas in top form would sweep the other way, but I think he's out of practice and will struggle. Grogu is playing from a strong mental position of being underestimated with no expectations which will give him the advantage.
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I wanna have a shot at this so here are my unbaised predictions

[SKG] 16 vs 9 [CMC] :

[SKG] Kévin (4) vs (1) [CMC] Iamturk. I think Kevin being in pretty good form and an avid rdm civ enjoyer can take on pretty much anything turk has. Although Turk may take a game (perhaps with scary japan)

[SKG] Frontline 0 vs 5 [CMC] JulianK. JulianK is the goat not much else needs to be said here. However I do see all the games being super close kinda like the final of Hazza v Ketur the score doesn't indicate how close the games were.

[SKG] Ezad 4 vs 1 [CMC] Mitoe. Mitoe is back for another Epl, it seems this is when we see him be the most active and we welcome him with open arms. I think Mitoe is still pretty rusty and a bit washd for Ezad who has a bit more of a DE playstyle but can see him taking a game or two

[SKG] Tabben 4 vs 1 [CMC] Psionic. I would love to see Psionic take a few games off Tabben, but what does Psionic have in his arsenal that can beat Tabben, maybe only his France???

[SKG] 4 Hawk vs 1 [CMC] Conquerer. Haven't seen much of Conq recently but Hawk is a good player (even without baja). I can see some DE bilds from Hawk being a bit tilting for rusty Conq.



[MDS] 13 vs 12 [HBB] :

[MDS] TheNameDaniel 2 - 3 [HBB] Keturboy. Might be a bit controversial here but Daniel just seems to perform in Epls. Some analysis from Barron found that he is one of the top performing players across all Epls beating the likes of prime Ungurs, 4-1 Oli, 5-0 FL last season. 4-1 Miggo, 4-1 Baus and 6-1 prime Lukas in Epl 3. (Maybe I am bias too the Ducks cause best team name and manager)

[MDS] Aizamk 2 vs 3 [HBB] Optimus. Another controversial score but I think Aiz can defs take a game if not two with some unconventional magic however could just as easily be 4-1/5-0 for Opti.

[MDS] Soldier 2 vs 3 [HBB] Rohbrot. Rohbrot is just so good when it comes to tournies, but so does Soldier so should be a good series could be 3-2 either way.

[MDS] Warsword 3 vs 2 [HBB] Minimoult. Happy to see Warsword back in what might be a close series, haven't seen much of either player recently.

[MDS] Grogu 4 vs 1 [HBB] Lukas. I love Grogu even though his Aztec might be one of the most frustrating things to play against. Grogu in good form can take rusty Lukas 4-1/5-0.
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Warsword 3 vs. minimoult21 1: Warsword’s experience and skill likely secure him the majority of games, but minimoult21 could take one game due to familiarity with the game or a strong performance on a favorable map.

TheNameDaniel vs. Keturboy: Given the lack of direct match data, I can’t definitively state the outcome. However, based on TheNameDaniel’s established reputation as a skilled player, he might have an edge if he’s actively competing and leveraging his experience in team or Treaty gameplay. Without recent performance data for either player or specifics about EPL5 (such as format, map, or civilizations chosen), any prediction would be speculative.
If you’re looking for real-time updates or specific match results, you might check platforms like Liquipedia, AoEZone, or the official Age of Empires website for tournament brackets or recent posts on X for community updates. Would you like me to search for additional information or analyze any specific tournament data if available?

Grogu vs Lukas: If this is a best-of-5 series in Age of Empires III: Definitive Edition, the outcome would hinge on their mastery of game mechanics (e.g., economy management, unit micro, and map control), civilization choices, and meta knowledge. Recent discussions on the game’s meta suggest balance changes post-EPL could influence strategies, with civilizations like Russia and Ethiopia being debated for late-game strength. Without real-time match data, I’d estimate a close series, potentially 3-2, favoring the player with better adaptation to the current patch and map pool.
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callentournies wrote:
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unbiased predictus.

[MDS] Aizamk vs [BIG] Optimus_Prime

Carrying over comet tradition we don't predict Opti series. And doubly we cannot predict any rusty/trolly Aiz series as well. And maybe two sources of noise constructively interfere or destructively interfere so this one could go 5-0 in either favor or anywhere in between. And I am the preeminent analyst. The result could be any one of the possible results. None do it better.

[SKG] Ezad vs [CMC] Mitoe

recused for conflict of interest. but 5-0 mitoe if he had MDS buff, which he does not. 4-1 Ezad. non-compete clause shattered. see you in court.

[BIG] Keturboy vs [MDS] TheNameDanieLOW

I guess if you don't have a tier one player you chuck some rando no one in the ESOC twitch chat had ever heard of vs the most promising young phenom since Hazza5413 in the hopes of getting a single favorable pairing. Daniel was the first person I saw raid with stealth Shinobi on DE release and that stuck with me. If I recall when active he was a top 15-ish blayer with Japan and France and pretty good but that was 4 years ago. Dan runs in the same circle as thelastsamurai who once asked skirmywirmy "who the hell are you" in a discord voice channel when skirmy gave an opinion on a MU when skirmy had three accounts in the top 3 (the original rank 1 g*mer) and that was funny to me. I don't know what Dan's been up to but presumably he runs CSGO with the boys which is not the same as playing aoe3. FFP says he's played 16 games since FFP started tracking games, which is a lot less than 1100 Baja games in 4 months that his teammate has played, so there's no hope for him and MDS's general morale leaves something to be desired, to grind to get good.

5-0 Keturboy unless they both launch CSGO by accident and 1v1 AWP.

[SKG] Frontline vs [CMC] JulianPotassium

The cost of hosting the website to sell the guides has eclipsed the amount the guides have sold for so Jullian is back to needing to earn bread. But he has a higher aura from not playing a game which people sometimes get frustrated playing which doesn't much help his chances in a series but gives him good high ground to be more esteemed than thou which is very scary indeed. FL decided playing aoe2 and aoe4 was better practice for his semi finals aoe3 match than playing aoe3. It sounds less absurd when you realize playing aoe3 is playing vs botto, mexiclow, uspay2win, and whatever 50 easy, powerful, annoying bilds ppl spam which is why I want FL to make DE EP (DEEP) which I'll never play because my aura is too powerful to ever play aoe3 again.

So if one player plays aoe3 to prepare for aoe3 and the other player plays other games to prepare for aoe3 even with the state of the ladder I am going to give the edge to the aoe3 player, which is the inactive JulianPotassium.

3-2 Julian.

[SKG] Tabben vs [CMC] Psionic
psionic is very strong because he sort of plays the game like pros play chess. from what i see he understands the relative value of his units fulfilling certain tasks and is not afraid to for example sacrifice some villagers to gather certain resource that is lacking in comparison to his opponents saving the villagers but they get to be idle for next 40 seconds. obviously he's got good micro etc. but i feel like in comparison to other players he has that deep strategical understanding of the situation and the abilyty to evaluate it and certain actions very well
this is impeccable from a member of lionheart's YouTube community and who am I to try to offer any more salient or sage analysis, my days being behind me.

psionic's understanding of the relative value of his units fulfilling certain tasks, and using his villagers to gather certain resources that is lacking in comparison to his opponent's, and his deep strategical understanding to evaluate certain actions very well, and with Kaiserklein's coaching (which will not matter btw, because psionic comes from the mookie school of not giving a shite what the meta is, and figuring everything out himself spamming iterative process of suboptimal builds because it is fun for him) COULD trounce tabben but I think also tabben will do strong builds well and see success. He has to not succumb to the weird shenanigans of psionic when he maneuvers all weird like around the map and outplays when he's a little behind. But how to predict these games when half of the players aren't active and the other half aren't established.

3-2 for [JACKD] (I am) TABBEN

[MDS] Soldier vs [BIG] Rohbrot

Soldier finally giving a shite about grinding down the stubborn carapace of rust that has made of that guy who beat h2o in a German mirror in a tournament an unrecognizable blob of oxidized iron. or one wolf in him is trying, and the other wolf in him wants to play random civ random revolt and lose to 1800s to upload it to YouTube. Rohbrot will clicky clicky doggo Falco roddo war wagon dop Falco and be generally a difficult nut to crack but I think he can be prepared against remarkably well but preparation doesn't make for good YouTube videos which I'm not hating on btw I watch lionheart YouTube content.

3-2 rohbrot

[SKG] Hawk vs [CMC] Conquerer

One of my big wishes is to see conq return to his former scary sup glory guy of winning minor tournaments in ESOC's heyday but we hang to our past accomplishments like climbers to crags, and the crags stay static like that for millennia and our forearms tire after some minutes. But DE quick search experience is the equivalent of someone coating the rock face in grease so climbing the ol girl again is not fun and even scary, unless you bypass the knee bars and the tricky holds and transitions and let your buddy electrically hoist you up the equivalent of playing Mexico and USA gimmicks, like hawk_girl, who I'm still salty at for saying I lack all logics and can only click fast as if quick search, and climbing rock, is a game to optimize and at all costs reach the top as fast as possible, with as little effort as possible, rather than something more meandering and less serious.

I have no idea how to call this one. AFAIK nothing is banned. Therefore, Hawk 4-1, much as it pains me. Dick, prove me wrong (please).

[BIG] LukasLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL vs [MDS] Grogu

I tire typing. Grogu 3-2. I like that he streams one game late NA nights then hops off. I like that Lukas keeps signing up for tournies but I've never seen him play qs, except when I beat his lowkota with Brit tower FI piki piki Roger Roger rocket rocket età uno molto lungo on svanna, and his Germany with it on gran chaco <3

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Final results:


5-0 for Julian (CMC) vs Frontline (SKG)
4-1 for Ezad (SKG) vs Mitoe (CMC)
4-1 for Kevin (SKG) vs Iamturk (CMC)
3-2 for Tabben (SKG) vs Psionic (CMC)
3-2 for Conqueror (CMC) vs Hawkgirl (SKG)

3-2 for Rohbrot (BIGs) vs Soldier (MDS)
3-2 for Optimus (BIGs) vs Aizamk (MDS)
5-0 for Keturboy (BIGs) vs TheNameDaniel (MDS)
4-1 for Warsword (MDS) vs Minimoult (BIGs)
3-2 for Lukas (BIGs) vs Batu (MDS) (subbed in for Grogu)


Team rankings:
BIGs: 15
SKG: 13
CMC: 12
MDS: 10

I'd say the two biggest surprises here were Psionic taking 2 games off Tabben, and Aiz taking 2 games off Optimus.
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callentournies wrote:
10 Jun 2025, 03:25
callentournies wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 15:20
unbiased predictus.

[MDS] Aizamk vs [BIG] Optimus_Prime

Carrying over comet tradition we don't predict Opti series. And doubly we cannot predict any rusty/trolly Aiz series as well. And maybe two sources of noise constructively interfere or destructively interfere so this one could go 5-0 in either favor or anywhere in between. And I am the preeminent analyst. The result could be any one of the possible results. None do it better.

[SKG] Ezad vs [CMC] Mitoe

recused for conflict of interest. but 5-0 mitoe if he had MDS buff, which he does not. 4-1 Ezad. non-compete clause shattered. see you in court.

[BIG] Keturboy vs [MDS] TheNameDanieLOW

I guess if you don't have a tier one player you chuck some rando no one in the ESOC twitch chat had ever heard of vs the most promising young phenom since Hazza5413 in the hopes of getting a single favorable pairing. Daniel was the first person I saw raid with stealth Shinobi on DE release and that stuck with me. If I recall when active he was a top 15-ish blayer with Japan and France and pretty good but that was 4 years ago. Dan runs in the same circle as thelastsamurai who once asked skirmywirmy "who the hell are you" in a discord voice channel when skirmy gave an opinion on a MU when skirmy had three accounts in the top 3 (the original rank 1 g*mer) and that was funny to me. I don't know what Dan's been up to but presumably he runs CSGO with the boys which is not the same as playing aoe3. FFP says he's played 16 games since FFP started tracking games, which is a lot less than 1100 Baja games in 4 months that his teammate has played, so there's no hope for him and MDS's general morale leaves something to be desired, to grind to get good.

5-0 Keturboy unless they both launch CSGO by accident and 1v1 AWP.

[SKG] Frontline vs [CMC] JulianPotassium

The cost of hosting the website to sell the guides has eclipsed the amount the guides have sold for so Jullian is back to needing to earn bread. But he has a higher aura from not playing a game which people sometimes get frustrated playing which doesn't much help his chances in a series but gives him good high ground to be more esteemed than thou which is very scary indeed. FL decided playing aoe2 and aoe4 was better practice for his semi finals aoe3 match than playing aoe3. It sounds less absurd when you realize playing aoe3 is playing vs botto, mexiclow, uspay2win, and whatever 50 easy, powerful, annoying bilds ppl spam which is why I want FL to make DE EP (DEEP) which I'll never play because my aura is too powerful to ever play aoe3 again.

So if one player plays aoe3 to prepare for aoe3 and the other player plays other games to prepare for aoe3 even with the state of the ladder I am going to give the edge to the aoe3 player, which is the inactive JulianPotassium.

3-2 Julian.

[SKG] Tabben vs [CMC] Psionic
psionic is very strong because he sort of plays the game like pros play chess. from what i see he understands the relative value of his units fulfilling certain tasks and is not afraid to for example sacrifice some villagers to gather certain resource that is lacking in comparison to his opponents saving the villagers but they get to be idle for next 40 seconds. obviously he's got good micro etc. but i feel like in comparison to other players he has that deep strategical understanding of the situation and the abilyty to evaluate it and certain actions very well
this is impeccable from a member of lionheart's YouTube community and who am I to try to offer any more salient or sage analysis, my days being behind me.

psionic's understanding of the relative value of his units fulfilling certain tasks, and using his villagers to gather certain resources that is lacking in comparison to his opponent's, and his deep strategical understanding to evaluate certain actions very well, and with Kaiserklein's coaching (which will not matter btw, because psionic comes from the mookie school of not giving a shite what the meta is, and figuring everything out himself spamming iterative process of suboptimal builds because it is fun for him) COULD trounce tabben but I think also tabben will do strong builds well and see success. He has to not succumb to the weird shenanigans of psionic when he maneuvers all weird like around the map and outplays when he's a little behind. But how to predict these games when half of the players aren't active and the other half aren't established.

3-2 for [JACKD] (I am) TABBEN

[MDS] Soldier vs [BIG] Rohbrot

Soldier finally giving a shite about grinding down the stubborn carapace of rust that has made of that guy who beat h2o in a German mirror in a tournament an unrecognizable blob of oxidized iron. or one wolf in him is trying, and the other wolf in him wants to play random civ random revolt and lose to 1800s to upload it to YouTube. Rohbrot will clicky clicky doggo Falco roddo war wagon dop Falco and be generally a difficult nut to crack but I think he can be prepared against remarkably well but preparation doesn't make for good YouTube videos which I'm not hating on btw I watch lionheart YouTube content.

3-2 rohbrot

[SKG] Hawk vs [CMC] Conquerer

One of my big wishes is to see conq return to his former scary sup glory guy of winning minor tournaments in ESOC's heyday but we hang to our past accomplishments like climbers to crags, and the crags stay static like that for millennia and our forearms tire after some minutes. But DE quick search experience is the equivalent of someone coating the rock face in grease so climbing the ol girl again is not fun and even scary, unless you bypass the knee bars and the tricky holds and transitions and let your buddy electrically hoist you up the equivalent of playing Mexico and USA gimmicks, like hawk_girl, who I'm still salty at for saying I lack all logics and can only click fast as if quick search, and climbing rock, is a game to optimize and at all costs reach the top as fast as possible, with as little effort as possible, rather than something more meandering and less serious.

I have no idea how to call this one. AFAIK nothing is banned. Therefore, Hawk 4-1, much as it pains me. Dick, prove me wrong (please).

[BIG] LukasLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL vs [MDS] Grogu

I tire typing. Grogu 3-2. I like that he streams one game late NA nights then hops off. I like that Lukas keeps signing up for tournies but I've never seen him play qs, except when I beat his lowkota with Brit tower FI piki piki Roger Roger rocket rocket età uno molto lungo on svanna, and his Germany with it on gran chaco <3

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Unfortunately Keturboy was global elite in CSGO and mained AWP. idk if that would even work out...
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Ketur would beat Dan on awp handily but on Ak or m4 Dan could win
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will make a week 2 results spoiler to help keep track of the standings, lil sleepy rn so ill get to it later but heres week 1's results

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Cometk wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:22
will make a week 2 results spoiler to help keep track of the standings, lil sleepy rn so ill get to it later but heres week 1's results

Week 1 Results
I think Batu was subbed in for GroGu, because he didn´t show up. :geek:
Other than that, nice read! Keep it up.
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Cometk wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:40
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just a small typo psionic lost 3-2 vs soldier and mds and cmcs score doesnt add up as a result of it
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Cometk wrote:
15 Jun 2025, 21:40
Week 2 Results

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Bigs 29-21, SKG 24-26, CMC 21-24 MDS 21-24
overall standings :bigs: :bigs: :bigs:
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@Cometk can we get some unbiased predictions for week 3 and the playoffs?

Other unbiased predictions writers id like to see @kaister @callentournies @bwinner @giveuanxiety
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Rohbrot wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:26
Bigs 29-21, SKG 24-26, CMC 21-24 MDS 21-24
overall standings :bigs: :bigs: :bigs:
What are the matches missing in CMC vs MDS?
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@Oliveza @Hazza54321 Thanks boys, fixed
Garja wrote:
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Rohbrot wrote:
16 Jun 2025, 18:26
Bigs 29-21, SKG 24-26, CMC 21-24 MDS 21-24
overall standings :bigs: :bigs: :bigs:
What are the matches missing in CMC vs MDS?
iamturk vs Daniel I believe, I think it was played, just wasn't enough time to cast it (yet, perhaps)
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Cometk wrote:
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