Japan vs Spain?

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Japan vs Spain?

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What's the best strategy for Japan vs Spain? Spain can ff so fast while it's hard to counter the amount of units spain produces that fast. What's the best BO/strategy vs them and most effective. Thx!
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Double ashi I think.
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Rush or semi tho
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If Spain FF is well executed with good treasures, Japan 600 4 4 is not good enough. See this game :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsONGvFMIVo

Nagayumi do a FF as Japan.
Kami 600c 600w
He end up with 6 yumi 7 besteiros 5 ashi and 2 flam at the crucial time of 8:30

Blackstar_OP likes do to a consulate rush vs spain.
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play age 2
300w rush
or shrine boom but send cm. when his cannon comes, call tons of minutemen and all you vills to kill his cannon and win.
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Couprider wrote:play age 2
300w rush
or shrine boom but send cm. when his cannon comes, call tons of minutemen and all you vills to kill his cannon and win.

just shrine boom, and when he will attack, you will need to have 5 cavalry in his base raiding.
if he gets his vills in the TC, he is having worser eco because he isn't getting resources, and you have 20 shrines.
is you kill some of them, he will be behind in eco.
So, its win-win situation..

-I think it could work, if you kill his forward outpost.
He will need to spend time walking, which can give you for at least 30 seconds to age after he sent his first shipment (basically 70 seconds after he aged i think).
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It does seem like a tricky mu for me when using Japan. Thanks for the advice everyone! Much appreciated :)
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The 300w rush doesn t work, it only worked because cramper sucked (17v age up lol).
Same for the ff, it only works because it is Texas.
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Hagi wrote:If Spain FF is well executed with good treasures, Japan 600 4 4 is not good enough. See this game :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsONGvFMIVo

Nagayumi do a FF as Japan.
Kami 600c 600w
He end up with 6 yumi 7 besteiros 5 ashi and 2 flam at the crucial time of 8:30

Blackstar_OP likes do to a consulate rush vs spain.

Where did you find the second one? Anyway ye the first rec is what I meant. Rush works but, not sure if you need good food treasures to make it viable
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Marco1698 wrote:
Hagi wrote:If Spain FF is well executed with good treasures, Japan 600 4 4 is not good enough. See this game :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsONGvFMIVo

Nagayumi do a FF as Japan.
Kami 600c 600w
He end up with 6 yumi 7 besteiros 5 ashi and 2 flam at the crucial time of 8:30

Blackstar_OP likes do to a consulate rush vs spain.

Where did you find the second one? Anyway ye the first rec is what I meant. Rush works but, not sure if you need good food treasures to make it viable


Here :
http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/aoe3/community/modules/d3blog/details.php?bid=142
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As long as Japan gets off the first cannon volley, I don't see how Spain can possibly win vs a Japanese semi. What can Spain possibly do versus ashi/yumi/flame with the threat of nagi coming out?
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Papist wrote:As long as Japan gets off the first cannon volley, I don't see how Spain can possibly win vs a Japanese semi. What can Spain possibly do versus ashi/yumi/flame with the threat of nagi coming out?

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[Armag] diarouga wrote:The 300w rush doesn t work, it only worked because cramper sucked (17v age up lol).
Same for the ff, it only works because it is Texas.

What would you suggest then?
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Jerom wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:The 300w rush doesn t work, it only worked because cramper sucked (17v age up lol).
Same for the ff, it only works because it is Texas.

What would you suggest then?


In a game vs Piroshiki, Diarouga did full eco 600 4 4 late double rax. Then he wall a part of his base and send Enlist Irregulars.
He had 20 ashi when Spain push. Micro the pikes with his ashi and TC fire on falc while sending 5 ashi + mm timing.
GG was quick.
Not sure if he still does same strat.
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Idk, I think this strat is good. Go for a double ashi, kill the tower ( vs piroshiki go 600w 600c 600c), then when he pushes you, just base trade with 40 ashis, since you have shrines base trade is op as jap.
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i win with ff and age 2 vs piro lol
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Idk, I think this strat is good. Go for a double ashi, kill the tower ( vs piroshiki go 600w 600c 600c), then when he pushes you, just base trade with 40 ashis, since you have shrines base trade is op as jap.

That's indeed smart. Go aiz style and have a back up tower aswell. Or better, ship a daimyo!?
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I like how playing vs piro always have exceptional cases lol

I once saw boneng doing lancer vs dyddyd, and that worked lol.
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i just make 6 layers ,mm card ,2 rax ashi and when my tc is half dead he has lost almost both cannons, i call big and small mm and ashi from other site and its gg
and then you have to write "piro still on figher?"(clan) lol
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