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Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 08 May 2015, 13:40

Where were you when you found out that David Cameron had orchestrated the greatest electoral triumph of our generation?

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iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 08 May 2015, 18:50

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Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 08 May 2015, 18:55

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea

I doubt anyone actually believes he's in NK

Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 09 May 2015, 02:09

I'm in North Korea, I swear guys.

divine_moon · Post by **divine_moon** » 09 May 2015, 02:16

cook possibly made a typo it's UK not NK..

so hard ot get people to belive u huh doomed cook? ')

Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 11 May 2015, 01:50

Thread got derailed.

Back to Dave the Saviour.

Mr. Pecksniff · Post by **Mr. Pecksniff** » 11 May 2015, 16:22

There are private hospitals that allow you to circumvent those waiting lists.

Anyway, David Cameron is now Britain's best hope for securing a stronger future for itself. He might not be able to get rid of socialism, but he does stand a better chance than anyone else at weakening its influence.

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 11 May 2015, 18:05

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Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 20:37

drlegend wrote:It is when inferior cultures are tolerated by superior cultures even though it does more harm than good.

I''m afraid you''re gonna have to deal with it. As our wealth grows and we can afford to help people in need while living comfortably ourselves, we (humanity) will start doing so more and more. Capitalism was a great system for having our economy grow as quickly as possible, but we won''t need it any more. Equal opportunity is the future and socialism is the only way to realise it. Also, as it turns out, being open and respectful to other cultures makes them hate you less.

We went from survival of the fittest to survival of everyone but comfort for the fittest. The next step is comfort for everyone. We can afford to stop being dicks, so by all means let''s.

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 11 May 2015, 20:55

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Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 20:58

Keep telling yourself that and I hope your words taste good because you'll be eating them in 30 years.

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 11 May 2015, 21:00

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Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 21:19

incog wrote:21, well put

though again, as with dragon, you and i may have conflicting views on where socialism''s line should be drawn

It should be drawn nowhere because there are no limits as to what we can afford in the long run.
This will take a while but at some point in the future, even money itself will become largely irrelevant and will only function as a way of trading rare items. Really, the sky''s the limit here. Unimaginable wealth awaits the human race. Go ahead, call me an optimist and again, prepare to eat your words in 500 years when you''ll be one of the few billion humans still left from the 20th century. That is, if they figure out eternal youth in our lifetimes which is probably unlikely but goddamn wouldn''t that be epic.

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 21:46

drlegend wrote:
calmyourtits wrote:Also, as it turns out, being open and respectful to other cultures makes them hate you less.
This is the exact same mentality that causes bullying victims to shut up and take it under the impression that if they fight back the bully will "really" hurt them.

So about that metaphor of yours, whos the bully and whos the victim?

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 21:57

neuron wrote:I know what this whole debate is about. It''s about immigration in Europe. Well, to be honest, UK deserves it. You guys had the biggest empire ever and enjoyed being pampered by so much exoticism in food, spices, languages, cultures, cuisines, races, and whatnot. I also suspect that there was a certain feeling in the UK that keeping this exotic immigration alive gave the British a chance to preserve their imperial mentality still, even without having the territories, since most good jobs were still controlled by native British people and the newcomers could only be hard workers willing to do any sacrifice just to make a living. Now things got the wrong turn, the immigrants learned how to abuse welfare and you got yourself an explosive situation.
Almost the same thing happened in the rest of Western Europe, but for different reasons (aging populations made governments allow more immigration to prepare for a future dwindling workforce).

There''s no easy solution to this situation. I think the UK should have stopped taking so much immigration from outside the EU long ago, since it''s much easier to integrate people from a similar culture, than people who think your culture is wrong and needs to be changed with religious verses and explosives. But even if this happened (immigration was stopped), it would come a too late to make much of a difference. You''re already innoculated.

Alright, immigrants.
The thing that is actually happening is we are being nice to them because, quite simply, we have spare shit. So we''re thinking hey, let''s help these people who are quite literally running for their lives, let''s give these guys a hand getting back on track. Well shit aren''t we nice people.
And yes, this is a sacrifice for us. It does more harm than good, as Dragon put it. For us. Not for the people we helped.
It''s called socialism for a reason people, and it''s called equal opportunity for a reason. People who are born in a fucked up country or got in a fucked up situation by sheer lack of luck, need our help and it''s our fucking responsibility as human beings living in the 21st century to offer it to them.
*drops mic*

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 22:10

drlegend wrote:
calmyourtits wrote:Alright, immigrants.
The thing that is actually happening is we are being nice to them because, quite simply, we have spare shit. So were thinking hey, lets help these people who are quite literally running for their lives, lets give these guys a hand getting back on track. Well shit arent we nice people.
And yes, this is a sacrifice for us. It does more harm than good, as Dragon put it. For us. Not for the people we helped.
Its called socialism for a reason people, and its called equal opportunity for a reason. People who are born in a fucked up country or got in a fucked up situation by sheer lack of luck, need our help and its our fucking responsibility as human beings living in the 21st century to offer it to them.
*drops mic*
There is no responsibility to help bad people.

Are you saying people running because it isnt safe in their country are bad people, or is that comment just straight up racist...?

CuCkO0 · Post by **CuCkO0** » 11 May 2015, 22:11

How is that racist? I think he meant there is no responsibility to help people less fortunate maybe? (Just an assumption)

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 22:15

No he meant they are bad people, why else would he use those exact words?

In any case it's the kind of attitude that could fuck up our prosperous civilisation from the inside. We all need to make a serious effort to consider each other equals and get along, and we need to do it sooner rather than later.

Goodspeed · Post by **Goodspeed** » 11 May 2015, 22:55

That's why we have immigration policies Dragon. We don't let just anyone in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_law
Basically you're using the perfectly solvable issue of some people abusing the system as a way to justify refusing people who need your help into your country. I don't think it justifies that at all.

Also I'm curious, link me to one of those interviews. Sounds like a worthwhile read.

benj89 · Post by **benj89** » 11 May 2015, 23:34

writing a 15 pages research paper on multiculturalism at the moment, such a complex term which often brings more negative than positive aspects. kind of an ideal that doesn't fit with reality and human nature

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