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18 May 2015, 00:32

Is it better to ship 2 vills or 3 ships before shipping heavenly kami?
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18 May 2015, 01:08

no.
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18 May 2015, 03:26

zutazuta wrote:no.
Watch that recorded game I posted. The guy who did that vs me seemed to have a stronger eco.
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18 May 2015, 04:05

just havely kami first
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18 May 2015, 04:11

shirine wrote:just havely kami first
You notice that while you''re ageing you do get another shipment that you can''t use until you age up. That extra eco boost almost seems worth it.
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18 May 2015, 05:06

Send kami, then, age2 you'll send 4vills if you want to boom, that's better than 2vills^^

Vs iro, 3boats is better than kami imo, since you won't shrine boom.
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18 May 2015, 05:35

diarouga wrote:Send kami, then, age2 you''ll send 4vills if you want to boom, that''s better than 2vills^^

Vs iro, 3boats is better than kami imo, since you won''t shrine boom.
Good idea. Thanks for that viewpoint.
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23 May 2020, 17:09

Oh, how this discussion had changed <3
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23 May 2020, 17:10

this is probably the 20th time a thread of this nature has come up haha
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23 May 2020, 17:44

Well, this thread is from the pre-EP era. 2v first is a reaction to greedy semi-ff EP builds. On RE other civs don't have that kind of luxury and Japan is better off shrining the opponent's hunts, or shipping CM in a matchup where they might be rushed. 2v is probably still good on RE since Japanese players - the nationality, not the civ - were doing it years ago, but it's certainly better on EP.
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23 May 2020, 18:31

Kami gives you more eco (enough to hold any rush if you wall), so it was "safer" in the pre EP meta. You'd just yumi/wall, hold the rush, outboom, outscale and win eventually. On EP, the jap FI builds are nerfed by 1000 exp (which is really huge, it's one age 4 shipment), and people go for some stagecoach semi builds instead of rushing, and kami is too slow to punish the greedy fb with stagecoach.
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Italy Garja
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23 May 2020, 22:08

kami first card is still better than 2v+kami.
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23 May 2020, 22:15

Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.
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23 May 2020, 23:05

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.

What about skipping a consulate to make a trading post so you can get both?
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24 May 2020, 00:28

ye but then you dont have port cons discount for age up and shrines.
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24 May 2020, 00:30

Trade post- 300 wood- for an extremely agressive build
https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php?p=441858#p441857
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24 May 2020, 07:17

dansil92 wrote:Trade post- 300 wood- for an extremely agressive build


I rather say flexible i mean u could even follow up with kami afterwards
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24 May 2020, 08:39

007Salt wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.

What about skipping a consulate to make a trading post so you can get both?

Never send kami without port consulate...
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24 May 2020, 16:24

[Armag] diarouga wrote:
007Salt wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Ye, if you send 2v skip kami ofc.

What about skipping a consulate to make a trading post so you can get both?

Never send kami without port consulate...

Okay
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24 May 2020, 17:49

[Armag] diarouga wrote:Never send kami without port consulate...
No exceptions?
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24 May 2020, 17:51

No. 2v is always better without Port consulate.
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