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Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 16 Jan 2016, 19:16
by Durokan
Samwise Colonial French Build
When the game starts, send 2 vills to crates and the rest to hunts.
Train CDB until you have 14, at which point you click up with the Quartermaster (400 wood).
Ship 3 CDB as your first card.
Gather the necessary resources for a house, market, and hunting dogs. Treasures are very useful to speed this up.
Age with 14vills using 400w at 3:00.While aging, gather enough for placer mines, then steel traps. (75f 75w, then 125w and 125c)
Ship 700w asap and drop a barrack and a stable with your 400w from aging.
When you hit up, send 2 vills to wood crates, 6 to coin, and 5 to food.
Queue 1 hussar at 5:20.
Queue 1 musketeer at 5:30.
Build houses with the 700w once it arrives. The houses should finish in time to queue 4 more hussar and muskets right before they finish training.
This will give you 5 musketeers and 5 hussars at 6 minutes.
This is a flexible strategy with good economic power and aggression.
The next card is 4 CDB.
Continue to make military units. Remember, this build is an aggressive build and we want to raid heavily against our opponent.
Additional cards in some order after 3v 700w 4v: 8crossbow, 3huss, 600w, 700c
General rule of thumb for card shipments is send villagers if you need resources in 5+ mins, crates if you need them in 1+ min, units if you need in 0 mins.

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Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 16 Jan 2016, 19:25
by lordraphael
Durokan wrote:Samwise Colonial French Build
When the game starts, send 2 vills to crates and the rest to hunts.
Train CDB until you have 13, at which point you click up with the Quartermaster (400 wood).
Ship 3 CDB as your first card.
Gather the necessary resources for a house, market, and hunting dogs. Treasures are very useful to speed this up.
Age with 13vills using 400w at 2:45.While aging, gather enough for placer mines, then steel traps. (75f 75w, then 125w and 125c)
Ship 700w asap and drop a barrack and a stable with your 400w from aging.
When you hit up, send 2 vills to wood crates, 6 to coin, and 5 to food.
Queue 1 hussar at 5:20.
Queue 1 musketeer at 5:30.
Build houses with the 700w once it arrives. The houses should finish in time to queue 4 more hussar and muskets right before they finish training.
This will give you 5 musketeers and 5 hussars at 6 minutes.
This is a flexible strategy with good economic power and aggression.
The next card is 4 CDB.
Continue to make military units. Remember, this build is an aggressive build and we want to raid heavily against our opponent.
Additional cards in some order after 3v 700w 4v: 8crossbow, 3huss, 600w, 700c
General rule of thumb for card shipments is send villagers if you need resources in 5+ mins, crates if you need them in 1+ min, units if you need in 0 mins.

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you age up with 14 vills very rarely are you able to age up with 13 vills without tc idle time.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 16 Jan 2016, 19:32
by Durokan
thanks, changed

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 16 Jan 2016, 19:33
by britishmusketeer
Durokan wrote:thanks, changed

you should also change the 2:45 click up to 3 min

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 00:00
by iNcog
big thanks to durokan for really taking the time to write these things down on paper

i love the big guides from H2O and raphael, but these small write ups are also really good if you're looking for a kick start with a civ you aren't familiar with

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 01:26
by KINGofOsmane
i pref to ship wood instead of bows and after wood bows if needed

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 02:49
by aaaron3000
iNcog wrote:big thanks to durokan for really taking the time to write these things down on paper

i love the big guides from H2O and raphael, but these small write ups are also really good if you're looking for a kick start with a civ you aren't familiar with


Agreed, there are a few civs I've never really played at all and just a basic "here's what you should do in the first 10 minutes for dummies" guide like this with the most standard strat for a civ is super helpful.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 10:43
by deleted_user0
KINGofOsmane wrote:i pref to ship wood instead of bows and after wood bows if needed

We should call it kjngofosmanes build really :lol:

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 13:18
by r4go
@durokan nice job, nice idea, great dude. Thanks

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 13:35
by _NiceKING_
Durokan wrote:Samwise Colonial French Build
When the game starts, send 2 vills to crates and the rest to hunts.
Train CDB until you have 13 at which point you click up with the Quartermaster (400 wood).
Ship 3 CDB as your first card.
Gather the necessary resources for a house, market, and hunting dogs. Treasures are very useful to speed this up.
Age with 14vills using 400w at 3:00.While aging, gather enough for placer mines, then steel traps. (75f 75w, then 125w and 125c)
Ship 700w asap and drop a barrack and a stable with your 400w from aging.
When you hit up, send 2 vills to wood crates, 6 to coin, and 5 to food.
Queue 1 hussar at 5:20.
Queue 1 musketeer at 5:30.
Build houses with the 700w once it arrives. The houses should finish in time to queue 4 more hussar and muskets right before they finish training.
This will give you 5 musketeers and 5 hussars at 6 minutes.
This is a flexible strategy with good economic power and aggression.
The next card is 4 CDB.
Continue to make military units. Remember, this build is an aggressive build and we want to raid heavily against our opponent.
Additional cards in some order after 3v 700w 4v: 8crossbow, 3huss, 600w, 700c
General rule of thumb for card shipments is send villagers if you need resources in 5+ mins, crates if you need them in 1+ min, units if you need in 0 mins.

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You should change it too - 14 to 13 :)
edit: ________________ 13 to 14 :P

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 17 Jan 2016, 13:56
by Durokan
_NiceKING_ wrote:You should change it too - 14 to 13 :)


Nice catch, I guess I missed that when I increased the bolded one to 14 vills.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 19 Jan 2016, 15:44
by daooof
Does this work with the current TP meta?

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 19 Jan 2016, 16:12
by CelticCrusader
Thanks for the guide Durokan, i tried this out last night and it works well.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 19 Jan 2016, 19:54
by r4go
daooof wrote:Does this work with the current TP meta?

1, you can make tp whit 7wood dude

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 19 Jan 2016, 20:59
by Goodspeed
daooof wrote:Does this work with the current TP meta?
Somewhat doubtful.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 20 Jan 2016, 06:12
by [Armag] diarouga
No. In the current meta, tp while aging 4v/700w is better most of the time.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 16:27
by pecelot
What about non-TP maps? I'd still do that build for example vs Ger.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 16:35
by Garja
I can tell you a 4v 700w is probably going to lose to many types of rush.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 16:40
by momuuu
pecelot wrote:What about non-TP maps? I'd still do that build for example vs Ger.

Then its probably one of the better france builds. On low hunt maps (or rather, maps with bad second hunt or bad mine) this strat is probably still very much so great.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 17:29
by [Armag] diarouga
Garja wrote:I can tell you a 4v 700w is probably going to lose to many types of rush.

No, you're just wrong, sorry.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 18:31
by Garja
Ye, except you will get rushed by someone who actually knows what he is doing and you will change your mind.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 18:38
by [Armag] diarouga
Garja wrote:Ye, except you will get rushed by someone who actually knows what he is doing and you will change your mind.

xD
And to what rush would it lose?

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 18:39
by Garja
2x musks for example? Bow pike in mirror? Russia all in rush? Iro all in rush?
Simply the fact that you don't have a rax asap is enough for a player that knows when buildings are up.

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 18:45
by Jaeger
What about Aztec rush?

Re: Samwise12 French Build

Posted: 02 Aug 2016, 18:49
by Garja
Aztec rush is slightly different because you have hard time in making 10 pike then 10 bows (for MM) then 10 pikes etc. And puma are siege trooper so MM kinda hold better. Also is more all in than a bow pike rush with steel traps (or TP).