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yurashic wrote:

__Uhlan__ wrote:So I am the only one who thinks Russia is still a top tier civ lol?

That is probably because you mostly play British and they are one of the few matchups where Russia does well.

In general, lets look at Russia in different MU's.

Aztec - they have more mass early on, Russia can't really fb, Aztec usually win this MU.
Sioux - it is a hard MU for Russia on RE, on EP Sioux are buffed so Sioux are favoured.
Iroquois - not quite sure because they are an unpopular civ, but I saw Iro win in both colonial and fortress.
Spain - quite close, with new lancer cards I'd say Spain is favoured.
Portugal - Port favoured.
France - France favoured, France was buffed and Russia was nerfed.
Germany - German favoured in both age 2 and age 3.
Britain - close/Russia favoured depeding on the map.
Dutch - close/Russia favoured, not quite sure.
Ottomans - Otto favoured.
India - India favoured.
China - Russia favoured.
Japan - Russia favoured.

So we have 2-5 MU's that Russia can realistically win with same skill level. It's not much.

Also @Goodspeed, you have rated Russia as the worst civ in your guide, did you change your opinion so much?

yurashic wrote:

__Uhlan__ wrote:So I am the only one who thinks Russia is still a top tier civ lol?

That is probably because you mostly play British and they are one of the few matchups where Russia does well.

In general, lets look at Russia in different MU's.

Aztec - they have more mass early on, Russia can't really fb, Aztec usually win this MU.
Sioux - it is a hard MU for Russia on RE, on EP Sioux are buffed so Sioux are favoured.
Iroquois - not quite sure because they are an unpopular civ, but I saw Iro win in both colonial and fortress.
Spain - quite close, with new lancer cards I'd say Spain is favoured.
Portugal - Port favoured.
France - France favoured, France was buffed and Russia was nerfed.
Germany - German favoured in both age 2 and age 3.
Britain - close/Russia favoured depeding on the map.
Dutch - close/Russia favoured, not quite sure.
Ottomans - Otto favoured.
India - India favoured.
China - Russia favoured.
Japan - Russia favoured.

So we have 2-5 MU's that Russia can realistically win with same skill level. It's not much.

Also @Goodspeed, you have rated Russia as the worst civ in your guide, did you change your opinion so much?

__Uhlan__ wrote:a map like Adrian backs

__Uhlan__ wrote:Russia = Aztec (close 50/50) Imo azzy>russia, though it's still close
Russia = Fre (close 50/50) Clearly france>>russia on decent maps
Russia > Brit I think it's close, though harder to play from brit side
Russia > Iro honestly no clue
Russia > Japan yes
Russia = China (close 50:50) russia>china imo
Russia > Dutch yes
Russia < Germany yes
Russia < Sioux Hmm with those teepes I'm not sure anymore, used to be russia favoured though imo
Russia < Ports depends on the map
Russia = India (slightly India favored but not unwinnable for Russia IMO) I think its 60/40 for india
Russia < Otto yes
Russia = Spain (close mu imo) spain favoured imo on EP

Kaiserklein wrote:

__Uhlan__ wrote:Russia = Aztec (close 50/50) Imo azzy>russia, though it's still close
Russia = Fre (close 50/50) Clearly france>>russia on decent maps
Russia > Brit I think it's close, though harder to play from brit side
Russia > Iro honestly no clue
Russia > Japan yes
Russia = China (close 50:50) russia>china imo
Russia > Dutch yes
Russia < Germany yes
Russia < Sioux Hmm with those teepes I'm not sure anymore, used to be russia favoured though imo
Russia < Ports depends on the map
Russia = India (slightly India favored but not unwinnable for Russia IMO) I think its 60/40 for india
Russia < Otto yes
Russia = Spain (close mu imo) spain favoured imo on EP

Kaiserklein wrote:I don't understand how russia can beat France now ? I feel like if russia goes all in france just wins in age 2 with a decent defense, and if russia doesn't go all in france can age up safely

Jerom wrote:I think between all these analysises you can conclude that the 255 vills buff made russia go from slightly on the weak side to slightly on the strong side. If you were to look at it, it seems balance patches have focused on making "slightly on the strong side" more or less the standard. With buffs to germany and france again, I think russia would be in a slightly more balanced state if they got the buff back.

__Uhlan__ wrote:

Kaiserklein wrote:I don't understand how russia can beat France now ? I feel like if russia goes all in france just wins in age 2 with a decent defense, and if russia doesn't go all in france can age up safely

perhaps, I just normally win this mu as russia and lose it as fre. But I haven't played it much tbh with you since the last ep. idk probs got to test it a bit more but I just feel fine as russia. I feel you can constant pressure without going all in and with a decent eco. but maybe your right, not 100% sure. I just feel in this game if you rush, the defending person has to play way better to actully win the game, it's why almost all team games the team who fb's normally wins.

Atomiswave wrote:

Jerom wrote:I think between all these analysises you can conclude that the 255 vills buff made russia go from slightly on the weak side to slightly on the strong side. If you were to look at it, it seems balance patches have focused on making "slightly on the strong side" more or less the standard. With buffs to germany and france again, I think russia would be in a slightly more balanced state if they got the buff back.

If Russia gets 255f vills back, then some kind of buff to Japan, China and maybe India will be needed. Even without it, I think mentioned civs deserve something. Especially Japan, on which most ppl agree has very weak early game.

Kaiserklein wrote:Yeah it's easier to rush, but it doesn't mean that it's better.

@Goodspeed I don't think that russia can hold age 3 france military shipments if they age up themselves, because france will age up faster, with more eco, and better unit shipments.

Darwin_ wrote:Maybe 255 food is overdoing it. What about +1 wood crate?