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06 Jun 2019, 18:47

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ah, in that case ye, ger can hold the rush on some maps and starts.
But do you get to age? :hmm:
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06 Jun 2019, 20:07

somppukunkku wrote:U crop my win away lol. And I played terrible those games. No way iros deserve nerf. You can only get "RE start" with perfect treasures. And if you fast age, you are punished with no age up reward and no fast age to fortress. lol.

They have weaknesses like no artillery and not good eco. Pace is their strength and of course should not be nerfed. Same as aztecs.

And btw, those are 3 good maps with renegados, atleast a few tps and a lot of good treas. Good iro maps.

Ah yeah I thought that other loss was on the other day when we played. It's still 6-2 though.

Whoever loses games will say it's because he played terrible... So this discussion is useless. Though the difference is when I lost it's because I let you run me around the map (almost any civ could lose to india if you just let them buy that much time...) while when you lost it's because you simply couldn't ever fight my army. I know you'll disagree, but to me that's enough to show the mu sucks for india. And I know most top players believe that too.

By "perfect treasures" you mean what I get half my iro games..? Just one xp treasure is enough lol. Even just getting the 80xp from the farm can be enough.

If you fast age you get to train 2.5 extra vils and idle your opponent to shit with kanyas. You don't even need to go fortress in many cases after that.

They don't need artillery, their skirms are lame af. And idk why you compare them to aztecs lol, aztecs are trash compared to iros.

And btw, adirondacks and arkansas are perfectly standard maps. You don't get more standard than that.


Did you watch the last game of raphael vs me ? Go for it and tell me that wasn't broken shit. Btw you asked me to play iro vs raphael or some other top player, there you go.
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06 Jun 2019, 20:09

Iro counters brit for same reasons as russia. Or atleast does very well. Florida has absolutely sick treasures as well.
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06 Jun 2019, 20:12

Goodspeed wrote:
umeu wrote:ah, in that case ye, ger can hold the rush on some maps and starts.
But do you get to age? :hmm:

No way. Ger does okayish with bow/uhlan vs the iro rush, but no way you age behind the hold, you will die to the timing. And there's also no way you can timing the iro fb in colo.
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06 Jun 2019, 20:14

somppukunkku wrote:Iro counters brit for same reasons as russia. Or atleast does very well. Florida has absolutely sick treasures as well.

This is wrong, brits do just fine vs iros overall. Just not when you get to fast age, because that's RE iro and RE iro shits on all civs.
And according to you, every map has sick treasures, that's bullshit. Florida has sick hunts btw.
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06 Jun 2019, 20:16

Germ totally shits on Iro (like vs almost every civ lol). You simply outmass Iro and with mm you should be able to age just smoothly behind.
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06 Jun 2019, 20:21

That discussion was about the mu on RE.
And anyway, the mu is much closer on ep than what you think. Sure it's ger favoured but really not unwinnable. And again id you get to fast age it's probably iro favoured.
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06 Jun 2019, 21:18

tabben wrote:Iroquois overpowered confirmed.
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06 Jun 2019, 23:12

wait are you serious bragging about those games? I didnt even know they were rated to begin with. Also, do games under 2 mins count as rated on EP ladder lol?
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07 Jun 2019, 04:12

Theyre not rated. Ep tracks an unrated ladder also, but obs games dont show only 1 on 1.
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07 Jun 2019, 06:40

Tbf unr games dont really count, if counting really fucking matters
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07 Jun 2019, 08:31

also, since the start of EP ladder, any game below 2 minutes has been counted on the unrated ladder, so win/loss in the unrated ladder is pretty inaccurate.
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07 Jun 2019, 09:30

how do you even see these games in the ep elo ladder?
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07 Jun 2019, 09:42

Jerimuno wrote:how do you even see these games in the ep elo ladder?


Select "custom" instead of "supremacy", shows all unrated.
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07 Jun 2019, 09:59

thansk! thats really cool to see
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15 Jul 2019, 16:24

Changed my mind. Neutral, no need for nerfs or buffs except nerfing Renegado.
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15 Jul 2019, 21:00

It's actually very strong.
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15 Jul 2019, 21:12

Iroquois seems to be in a decent spot. Its balance should also benefit from the Exiled Prince nerf.
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15 Jul 2019, 21:12

zoom wrote:Iroquois seems to be in a decent spot. Its balance should also benefit from the Exiled Prince nerf.

Fast age for twc not nerfed?
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15 Jul 2019, 21:26

Feels super strong with treasures, like pretty broken
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15 Jul 2019, 21:34

Riotcoke wrote:
zoom wrote:Iroquois seems to be in a decent spot. Its balance should also benefit from the Exiled Prince nerf.

Fast age for twc not nerfed?

No, they often use it for coloniale age and it's not really broken even if they use it for age3 imo
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16 Jul 2019, 08:51

Iro is one of the best civs on "standard" maps like kamchatka. Their rush is insane, I underestimated the fast age up all in but apparently it's quite good against Russia, Aztec and India. Also the semi ff is great, you can put some pressure with 10 tomas/4kanyas and age quickly with a decent economy and great units in fortress.

On a map like kamchatka, Iro is top 3-4 imo.
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23 Jul 2019, 19:51

400 res in age1 is useless, revert to re
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29 Jul 2019, 14:13

I don't understand why iro still has a wood starting crate
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29 Jul 2019, 14:13

Djigit wrote:I don't understand why iro still has a wood starting starting crate

Random crates xD.

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