IAmSoldieR wrote:Dragging units into a formation without hitting a button is not the same as hitting keys that revive a dead unit. Your argument is not valid.
Yes, the difference is that with alt d you need to hut a key!
IAmSoldieR wrote:Dragging units into a formation without hitting a button is not the same as hitting keys that revive a dead unit. Your argument is not valid.
tabben wrote:Just curious, is it Garjarouga against the world on this one?
Would anyone else in let's say top40 ep elo (to include aiz's opinion) prefer aoe3 with a unit pulling mechanic?
gibson wrote:n0el wrote:Show hidden quotes
It’s part of the game.
alt d is part of the game too, so i guess its fine for everyone to use it all the time
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Honeslty you cannot argue that it makes sense to have such a mechanic. The only argument here is that some people believe that it's a healthy mechanic as it requires skill, and since these people are the guys who make the rules, it won't be nerfed.
It's not going to be nerfed because the "EP team", if there is one, doesn't want to nerf it. You can always remove a mechanic. It is impossible to fix the cover mode abuse so it got removed, same should happen with the pull trick.
Okay, so you're saying that the people who made aoe3 intended that anytime you have a cannon and a few other units, you can move the cannon at 6 speed? If they didn't intend for that to happen, its a bug. Now whether or not its as bad as alt-d is definitely debatable, but stop acting like just another game mechanic.n0el wrote:gibson wrote:Show hidden quotes
alt d is part of the game too, so i guess its fine for everyone to use it all the time
It’s not. Alt D is a bug that affects the intended function. Pull trick is not. Pulling is taking advantage of a built in game mechanic.
gibson wrote:Okay, so you're saying that the people who made aoe3 intended that anytime you have a cannon and a few other units, you can move the cannon at 6 speed? If they didn't intend for that to happen, its a bug. Now whether or not its as bad as alt-d is definitely debatable, but stop acting like just another game mechanic.n0el wrote:Show hidden quotes
It’s not. Alt D is a bug that affects the intended function. Pull trick is not. Pulling is taking advantage of a built in game mechanic.
Garja wrote:@EAGLEMUT
Movement in the first clip actually looks good.
kami_ryu wrote:gibson wrote:Okay, so you're saying that the people who made aoe3 intended that anytime you have a cannon and a few other units, you can move the cannon at 6 speed? If they didn't intend for that to happen, its a bug. Now whether or not its as bad as alt-d is definitely debatable, but stop acting like just another game mechanic.Show hidden quotes
I'm pretty sure that yes, it was intentional for the cannon to move at 6 speed. In the name of remaining in formation.
That particular mechanic has been used to beat snare. It's hardly all that bad. Snare makes it harder to disengage, so this mechanic makes the game better, as far I'm concerned. Not that I play the game at a high level all.
Garja wrote:@EAGLEMUT
Movement in the first clip actually looks good.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
I dont think anyone wants it completely gone, which is why the entire discussion is futile because even if the whole community agreed that when pull trick was abused it was OP and shouldnt be in the game there is nothing that could be done about it.Kaiserklein wrote:Honestly I understand garja's point. Basically he's saying the pull trick is OP, which is probably true to some extent. And nerfing the speed boost it grants would be reasonable imo. But we can't do that anyway, so I don't see the point of discussing it so much.
However, I can't understand people who want to remove it completely. Apparently they don't get that
1) It's technically impossible (which is enough of a reason on its own lol).
2) Pull trick is a core mechanic so removing it would just break the game.
3) There's other mechanics anyway, like dragboxing pikes in front of RI or even making a line of huss rotate, that makes units run in the same way. Should we remove these as well?
4) Using pull trick is not abusing a bug, it's abusing an intended mechanic (arguably an OP mechanic though). Alt-d is a bug.
Kaiserklein wrote:Honestly I understand garja's point. Basically he's saying the pull trick is OP, which is probably true to some extent. And nerfing the speed boost it grants would be reasonable imo. But we can't do that anyway, so I don't see the point of discussing it so much.
However, I can't understand people who want to remove it completely. Apparently they don't get that
1) It's technically impossible (which is enough of a reason on its own lol).
How do you know that? I'm quite sure that you haven't tried, and since this hasn't been discussed, even the devs probably haven't. It's true that at this moment we don't have a solution, but that doesn't mean that we can't discuss it.
2) Pull trick is a core mechanic so removing it would just break the game.
It depends on how you remove it, same point.
3) There's other mechanics anyway, like dragboxing pikes in front of RI or even making a line of huss rotate, that makes units run in the same way. Should we remove these as well?
Dragboxing pikes in front of RI is also very abusable, and I think that such a skilless mechanic shouldn't exist. Pull trick is a bigger issue though.
4) Using pull trick is not abusing a bug, it's abusing an intended mechanic (arguably an OP mechanic though). Alt-d is a bug.
It's still an abuse, and it doesn't make sense.
flontier wrote:Nobody has been able to show how op or abusable it was in 14 years of aoe3, at least in a serious game.
This discussion sounds like we are trying to create a problem which doesnt exist atm. Let pull trick in peace please.
gibson wrote:Okay, so you're saying that the people who made aoe3 intended that anytime you have a cannon and a few other units, you can move the cannon at 6 speed? If they didn't intend for that to happen, its a bug. Now whether or not its as bad as alt-d is definitely debatable, but stop acting like just another game mechanic.n0el wrote:Show hidden quotes
It’s not. Alt D is a bug that affects the intended function. Pull trick is not. Pulling is taking advantage of a built in game mechanic.
gibson wrote:I dont think anyone wants it completely gone, which is why the entire discussion is futile because even if the whole community agreed that when pull trick was abused it was OP and shouldnt be in the game there is nothing that could be done about it.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
Kaiserklein wrote:gibson wrote:I dont think anyone wants it completely gone, which is why the entire discussion is futile because even if the whole community agreed that when pull trick was abused it was OP and shouldnt be in the game there is nothing that could be done about it.
See diarouga's post
Dragboxing pikes in front of RI
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