ELO Ladders, a new project?
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ELO Ladders, a new project?
As the ELO servers are down and probably aren't going to be updated, wouldn't it be a good idea to make new ELO ladders? This would mean that all the ELO stats would be reset. In this way, players have a new motivation to play. You also don't have to worry about cheaters, you would have the possibility to ban them more easily from the ladders (since you own them). Just a quick mindset that I wanted to share with you guys. I don't know if it would be possible at all and if there are even people who can make this happen and are willing to do this. I have no idea how hard it is to code something like that and if you need admin rights from the ESO Moderators. I can't code so it would be a project for some coders who have some spare time.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Would need to pay to host it. It's an idea we were discussing 6 months ago. Not sure what the current team is thinking about it .
You need to talk to JP guys figure out what costs are and how they do it.
Then do all the development and host it all on the cloud we have for the site / patch.
You need to talk to JP guys figure out what costs are and how they do it.
Then do all the development and host it all on the cloud we have for the site / patch.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Interesting idea surely, I'd be surprised though if elo wouldn't start working at some point. There's also the logistics side of the problem. We're not really high on manpower so to say, and it might increase the site traffic to a point where that's going to have a serious effect. Idk, I think it's something to consider for sure if jp elo isnt going to be back up ever. It has to be possible to make something like elo however, not really sure if it is right now.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
great idea
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Can't make a new Elo if you can't read the data from ESO servers, which is the problem at the moment.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
yurashic wrote:Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
Also some civs are obviously favoured against other. I think Pr takes that in account, whereas ELO doesn't so you can lose more games like that.
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
yurashic wrote:Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
I actually tend to agree. I see pr being mostly accurate. Just sucks you have the decay shit.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
yurashic wrote:Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
ELO is more accurate but you have to be willing to play rated games you will lose
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_H2O wrote:yurashic wrote:Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
ELO is more accurate but you have to be willing to play rated games you will lose
ELO has to do with official game stats, then unrated are mostly for practice, so np in unr vs. rated
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
"mr.brookg go buy jeans and goto the club with somppuli" - Princeofkabul, July 2018
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
"mr.brookg go buy jeans and goto the club with somppuli" - Princeofkabul, July 2018
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
BrookG wrote:yurashic wrote:Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
Also some civs are obviously favoured against other. I think Pr takes that in account, whereas ELO doesn't so you can lose more games like that.
This plus decay makes it inaccurate. How hard you are to beat is what rating should measure, not how hard you 'should' be to beat. Plus the civ adjustments are complete BS since they take games from low rated players.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
_H2O wrote:BrookG wrote:yurashic wrote:Elo is very inaccurate. Most rated games are in quicksearch, there it is very easy to get countercived, mapscrewed or face a much stronger player, and because of that lose 5 times more points than you gain for 1 won game.
I used to have 2360 elo when I was pr 28 just because I did not lose games. At around pr 33 I went down to 2250 while I was playing much better.
Pr system is more suitable for this game because you are punished less for all those randomly lost games.
Also some civs are obviously favoured against other. I think Pr takes that in account, whereas ELO doesn't so you can lose more games like that.
This plus decay makes it inaccurate. How hard you are to beat is what rating should measure, not how hard you 'should' be to beat. Plus the civ adjustments are complete BS since they take games from low rated players.
But other than that it does seem to be a pretty decent rating system somehow. It feels more responsive or sth, idk why
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
ELO rating system is quite close to the real levels, but the formula used is quite simplified (you can find it on front page of jp community). That's why some people become unsatisfied with that.
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
"mr.brookg go buy jeans and goto the club with somppuli" - Princeofkabul, July 2018
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
"mr.brookg go buy jeans and goto the club with somppuli" - Princeofkabul, July 2018
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Daooof has volunteered to do this.
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Sarcomere wrote:Daooof has volunteered to do this.
yeah hes desperate to get his elo back
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
I found this link, about some "variations/ suggestions" on ELO http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/ratings/approx/approx.html
Correlation doesn't mean causation.
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
"mr.brookg go buy jeans and goto the club with somppuli" - Princeofkabul, July 2018
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
elo reset is rly good
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
Why can't we just ask the Japanese community to fix this?
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Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
its maybe better to wait some weeks, until the server/stats works without problems.
Re: ELO Ladders, a new project?
piroshiki might do something if somebody spams him on twitter
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Guys, can Matsujun help us?!!! --> https://twitter.com/matsujunn/status/712924753942732800
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Yea, matsujun can help
We need evilcheader, thebritish and H2O to go deep into servers and find out what is IP.
EDIT: Oh wait, weren't the three codes IP addresses which microsoft gave us during betatesting?
We need evilcheader, thebritish and H2O to go deep into servers and find out what is IP.
EDIT: Oh wait, weren't the three codes IP addresses which microsoft gave us during betatesting?
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