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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary

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Some have been depleted, new ones have been found. Oil fields are expected to run out in a few years. But, in the meantime, we found huge gas reserves in the Black Sea. So much, we're gonna become exporters, so we won't need Russian gas anymore. We're gonna start exporting gas to Hungary from 2022.
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gibson wrote:Can we keep this discussion about why Biden should win not about oil and shit

But Biden would win because of oil and shit
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US politics is boring, tbh. Even their national politics feel like a small-town brawl.
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Dolan wrote:US politics is boring, tbh. Even their national politics feel like a small-town brawl.


Feel free to ignore this thread then. It's all about a US election
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gibson wrote:Can we keep this discussion about why Biden should win not about oil and shit


Why do you like Biden? He’s basically a moderate Republican
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n0el wrote:
gibson wrote:Can we keep this discussion about why Biden should win not about oil and shit


Why do you like Biden? He’s basically a moderate Republican


Give me an example of an active politician in the Republican party that you think is the equivalent of Joe Biden.
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n0el wrote:
gibson wrote:Can we keep this discussion about why Biden should win not about oil and shit


Why do you like Biden? He’s basically a moderate Republican
Because he would win the presidential election and he's not a moderate republican. He's more center than many democrats but calling him a moderate republican is just false.
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Donna Brazile, former vice chair of DNC, and a known cheater, and currently employed by Fox News, comes in defence of Joe Biden. Watch it, if you can stomach it.

https://youtu.be/mi3VuUELg4s
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Former CNN talker, now employed by Fox. You can't make this shit up. :uglylol:
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Well, she's just a contributor. Media outlets like to have contributors representing a wide variety of views.
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TIL Fox is not a media outlet
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary

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fightinfrenchman wrote:@n0el Supreme Court

The hope he would nominate liberal judges is the only thing that’s a positive for him. But can you imagine a Republican Congress with him signing for them? Goodbye social security
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Dolan wrote:Former CNN talker, now employed by Fox. You can't make this shit up. :uglylol:

Lou Dobbs and Tucker Carlson both worked at CNN before going to Fox.
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Dolan wrote:Yeah but Norway is different. At least 22% of Norway's GDP comes from oil exports. It's like getting more than 1/5 of your GDP for free. So, of course, you can afford to do whatever you want in terms of healthcare policies. You could give everyone healthcare for free and your budget wouldn't feel a thing. Also considering that Norway's population is so small, only 5.3 million people. That's just incredibly small. Romania has around 20 million population. Almost half of all USA states have more population than Norway. It's an enormous difference in economic and populational magnitude. So when you try to reform a system that is supposed to work for 328 million people it can be so different from a system that works for 5.3 million people whose country gets 22% revenue from Santa Claus.

You're basically the European Saudis.

We have the resources for universal healthcare. If we all suddenly became fanatically obsessed and charitable over the idea, we could provide healthcare to everyone. We have the resources and technology for it. I think the issue is that people put too much emphasis on the monetary side of it. People forget that money isn't supposed to be a thing in its own right, but is instead supposed to represent the movement of resources within the economy. Because of this, you shouldn't let money constrain you, if you have the resources. The problems arise when you try spending money without having the underlying resources in the economy to back it up. In fact, not only do I think the U.S. could implement universal healthcare, I think we could do it better than many other first world countries.
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If that's the case, then why doesn't your state simply pump money into private firms that can tap into those resources and turn them into free healthcare services, if it's really not a problem of cash flows?
New resources and new services and goods would be introduced in the economy, so inflation wouldn't be an issue.
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Because we pump money into private firms so that they can profit.
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Dolan wrote:If that's the case, then why doesn't your state simply pump money into private firms that can tap into those resources and turn them into free healthcare services, if it's really not a problem of cash flows?

I support state investment in the economy. It should be a goal of ours to operate at 100% of capacity. I also support offering a $5,000 tax credit to people who purchase health insurance. (this is how Obamacare offers subsidies; i like it because it pressures more people into paying their taxes) The state is restricting these activities because our rulers are a mix of stupid and malicious.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary

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Liberals have supermajorities in the state legislatures of California and Vermont, home of Bernie Sanders. What's stopping them from passing socialized medicine there?
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lejend wrote:Liberals have supermajorities in the state legislatures of California and Vermont, home of Bernie Sanders. What's stopping them from passing socialized medicine there?

You need to be able to mix in the federal money that already exists to make this work, clearly with the current administration that isn't allowed.
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The state of California was bankrupt a few years ago, iirc.
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