A Farewell to His Manclness, _H2O, Dictator of ESOC

[DivineFire]

Just rest assured that all the changes (well most of them) are well founded and have been lengthily discussed and tested.

[Kaiserklein]

Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people haven't mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didn't want I think.

I'm talking about that card tad players don't really know : silk road. For those who don't know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So let's imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok it's 30%, but still... At least it's a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if that's a bit long but I'm 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you don't change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

[DivineFire]

Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people haven''t mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didn''t want I think.

I''m talking about that card tad players don''t really know : silk road. For those who don''t know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So let''s imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok it''s 30%, but still... At least it''s a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if that''s a bit long but I''m 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you don''t change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

Please play the patch and test the changes, then complain about mistakes.

[momuuu]

The silk road change is just.. no. You can't do that if you have disagreed on tons of other potential changes because you don't want to change the way the game works. But whatever.

[deleted_user0]

so this is a farewell to someone who is not actually leaving? must be a canadian thing, like saying happy bday mitoe when its not your bday

[DivineFire]

Yeah we also hold open doors for nobody.

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Predicting that Silk-Road is overpowered presumes its viability in the first place...

[Cometk]

ottoman having fortress age composition options and a unique boom style actually sounds rad

[yurashic]

Ottomans aren't a top civ on esoc maps anyway because you can't starve anyone so they won't be too strong.

Silk Road is a very interesting and fresh change.

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Ottomans aren''t a top civ on esoc maps anyway because you can''t starve anyone so they won''t be too strong.

Silk Road is a very interesting and fresh change.

Awww yeah... that''s what Goodspeed wants to hear!

[deleted_user0]

lol its hardly fresh, its just undoing an old nerf basically. i did always like that card on nilla tho

[Mimsy for President]

lol its hardly fresh, its just undoing an old nerf basically. i did always like that card on nilla tho

It''s an age 1 shipment now :eyespopping:

[princeofkabul]

Offshore support shoulda been nerfed :S, and warships in general more than just monitor range. Buff Samurai, they look so badass but suck :,(

[thebritish]

Offshore support shoulda been nerfed :S, and warships in general more than just monitor range. Buff Samurai, they look so badass but suck :,(

That will make it land to beat water np

[Jaeger]

Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people haven''t mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didn''t want I think.

I''m talking about that card tad players don''t really know : silk road. For those who don''t know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So let''s imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok it''s 30%, but still... At least it''s a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if that''s a bit long but I''m 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you don''t change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

I don''t see how you can argue with this.

[princeofkabul]

Ottomans aren''t a top civ on esoc maps anyway because you can''t starve anyone so they won''t be too strong.

Silk Road is a very interesting and fresh change.

Many of the esoc maps has shitty hunts what are you talking about?

[Garja]

Not to defend otto changes, but which esoc maps do exactly have shitty hunts?

[Mr_Bramboy]

Not to defend otto changes, but which esoc maps do exactly have shitty hunts?

Cascade, Bengal, Tibet, and Baja are all great maps for otto to starve its opponent.

[Kaiserklein]

Really nice to see we will finally be able to play on fair maps and with more balanced civs. But there is 1 thing people havent mentioned in this thread yet, tho it will in my opinion be the biggest flaw in the balance. And it will also change the meta, which is what the FP team didnt want I think.

Im talking about that card tad players dont really know : silk road. For those who dont know, on tad it increases the crates by 15%, increases what you get from stagecoach by 15%, and works for the whole team. On nilla, this card is 30%. So now, it will be 25%, almost as much as on nilla. BUT in age 1. Which means you can now ship it after 3 vils, before colonial, because of the otto free TP.

So lets imagine you have a 400w start. You just take 80 in each crate, which makes 320 wood = enough for a TP + house. When silk road comes, you get +25 wood in each crate, which means you get on the floor 200 wood (you left 100 and you earn 100). Why not, you get a second TP without chopping any wood.
Then you age up. 500w age up. You make an abus/jan build, 700w 700g 600g, or rather 875w 875g 750g.

So what happened ? After this you already got a 700 resources shipment. But remember this also works for stagecoach. Remember this also works for the team. Remember you can ship this in age 1 and get a faster TP, while still having a shipment ready in colonial. And also think every other crate you might ship will be improved (600w, 700f, 1000w, 1000g ?).

On nilla this card is insane. You can get 35 abus or 30 huss before 9 minutes using it. Ok its 30%, but still... At least its a slow timing, because you have to ship it in colonial as first card if you want it to be most effective, which means it delayed the 700w/700g or whatever, and so most likely delayed the first batch. Now you can jan abus with eco and still be fast, maybe even faster...

Sorry if thats a bit long but Im 100% sure that this card will be way too op, all the more so in team games. I think if you dont change it it will be abused and might make otto even more overpowered than before, with a new "boomy" otto meta.

Please play the patch and test the changes, then complain about mistakes.

No need to play the patch when I can play nilla... In fact it will be even better than on nilla, since 5% less are not that important, but the switch to discovery age is. Trust me, with that change you will be able to get abus 10 by 10 from 5 min to 8 min without any problem. 3v silk road 700w 700g 600g = RIP aoe

[medinos]

Thank you guys for the time you took to make this FP even possible..

This game is still old but I see alot of passion you have put in this patch forums and everything..

God bless you all !!

[momuuu]

You know, all things considered, maybe spain got the biggest buff out of all civs.

[88baronrojo88]

Wow now spain is OP whit one soldier more in shipment , irony off XD

[Garja]

Not to defend otto changes, but which esoc maps do exactly have shitty hunts?

Cascade, Bengal, Tibet, and Baja are all great maps for otto to starve its opponent.

Cascade has no tp. It also has 8+6 elks which is equal to 14 bisons. Ah + 4 berries.
Bengal has as many close hunts as kamchatka basically, only slightly further away. Also 2 berrie bushes and again no TP.
Tibet is a special case, can see that being detrimental to Otto too.
Baja California has a decent number of hunts, but ye probably out of those you mentioned is the best for Otto.

Basically there isnt a single esoc maps that have less hunts than the average RE map.

You know, all things considered, maybe spain got the biggest buff out of all civs.

It is pretty clear to me that ports and dutch got much bigger buff. Spain was about to get more in fact.

[88baronrojo88]

yeah he is trolling spain still whit bad politicans and res shipments, one soldier more don't matter piroshiki style is only style for spain because is a terrible civ in eco

[Mr_Bramboy]

Cascade, Bengal, Tibet, and Baja are all great maps for otto to starve its opponent.

Cascade has no tp. It also has 8+6 elks which is equal to 14 bisons. Ah + 4 berries.
Bengal has as many close hunts as kamchatka basically, only slightly further away. Also 2 berrie bushes and again no TP.
Tibet is a special case, can see that being detrimental to Otto too.
Baja California has a decent number of hunts, but ye probably out of those you mentioned is the best for Otto.

Basically there isnt a single esoc maps that have less hunts than the average RE map.

You know, all things considered, maybe spain got the biggest buff out of all civs.

It is pretty clear to me that ports and dutch got much bigger buff. Spain was about to get more in fact.

Good points. I cant see Bengal having as many hunts as Kamchatka, though. I seem to run out of hunts a lot faster whenever I play Bengal' especially the hunt under your base is pretty tricky when it comes to spawning right. I hadnt considered the fact that there is no tp though, but I wonder if this is relevant anymore since the church gives more xp now.