possible map hacker

[flontier]

@flontier i think the only two things that sticks is those jan and spahi dives behind TC, but that could still be luck. Any way I would recommend anyone meeting this guy to record games.

Yea we can always say each of this things are super lucky move, but that was just a sample, there is a lot more, he just constantly dodge opponent units movements and stuffs like that.

For exemple, he hasnt see that these skirms walk forward harrison base but go bottom
https://i.gyazo.com/d997926325ec1de8ccfd4f9c81b49654
https://i.gyazo.com/2b43e6b6cb9201064505df51e662c38c
https://i.gyazo.com/9ad39f2146a0525ffcb362dfe078e5b8
https://i.gyazo.com/04b536e59ea744309b1efae298405ab1

mams found the fouderie
https://gyazo.com/4d2fef65364deddfd5a3d3f9744982fb
huss come raid at the exact same time there is a culv here
https://gyazo.com/66cfb0d2e6bef5b2405ca5f83bf89e65
https://gyazo.com/33ebf1a6ba6e3b0a9df4e117295f97c7

also here he come raid there straight when ruyter leave the place
https://i.gyazo.com/fef12f393e1c9f145dc74439cef37720
https://gyazo.com/a9bfcd68040e317a69bf776ffb443ad7

and i just cant waste my time screenshot everything but that full of bs like this.

Falcs on their own could just be him being bad. And checking behind the opponent's base is a classic trick, there are often vils there because it feels safe behind your base, but then they get blocked and can't reach your tc

I'm sure if you do a video analysis of that people would say obvious maphack like the last you did... The biggest difference is he doesnt send minutemen to nuke a fb cause no fb in this game. But his units movements are as much suspect as the last one. Also you cant see well on my poor screens but his clicks are more evidence, he doesnt just go behind the base in the classic way.
He is also prob a lot lower than the last when you see his RE POV in the china "twitch" video posted above, very low apm so he make more mistake by forgettings units etc... but a noob with a maphack is always a noob so that doesnt exonerate.

But whatever, as harcha said people should save their recorded game when they play him so we'll see him make more obvious mistake i hope.

[gibson]

lol come one, this guy is extremely lucky then.

My graphism sucks but try to see the little red flag of his click accross the map.

Pretty accurate pathing, he studied every map, what a pro.
https://i.gyazo.com/99ecf603c3fac38579f ... 1e63a2.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/2a86ddefb4429c2e108 ... 24c960.jpg

Must be extremely confident ....
https://i.gyazo.com/29262fcdef6bff5da55 ... 4e166e.jpg

Click randomely into the wood line and ignore everything else.
https://i.gyazo.com/06f4fc12f5e2ee2364e ... 211f13.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/e35f7a57307f88bd09c ... 102c1c.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/688532f595598d10098 ... 4f2cff.jpg

Jan go raid on the wood here but he clicks back when harrison move his vills and ruyter are coming back from the top. Sadly he probably missclick !
https://i.gyazo.com/0f9a1739f6668f09d21 ... 41ec9b.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/ce9877d467e2a770e8c ... e92504.jpg

See a market start to build and all the vills gathering at the top. Good anticipation
https://i.gyazo.com/975a577423a2bfc0ae3 ... fb5b90.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/b85ca56f8c3a88fb893 ... 0fa745.jpg

well yea sure
https://i.gyazo.com/adfdb4498b76dbdf411 ... 380509.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/40ecd219aceada3b705 ... 662acd.jpg

And its full of little things like this, i stopped midgame to watch cause i guess rest is the same.

My Conclusion :
HE IS VERY VERY LUCKY.

See this is just bullshit. You can find stuff like this in literally every game where decent people play. Its like watching a csgo demo and saying someone is using aimlock or walls when they trace over someone on the other side of the map or kill someone through smoke. Theres literally nothing here that would make me confident someone was cheating, unlike the kiaser situation. Oh he raided me or is active with his units, MUST BE MAPHACKING. Oh he went to a free gold treasure thats completely useless, MUST BE MAPHACKING. Active on the map? MUST BE MAPHACKING. Post some of your recs here and I can find exactly the same kind of things.

[gibson]

Really not a big fan of the hackussations that have been going around recently. What Kaiser did is fine because he had basically as close to indisputable evidence as possible and made sure that he specific instances and points before he brought it forward. Now it seems like everyone and their mum are accusing randoms of cheating after they lose.

just no, me winning or losing this game is not the motivating factor here. We know thanks to kaisers effort the map hacking is a possible thing. I havent said that i have concrete evidence here as every action he made could be justified. But a lot of these decisions going in favour of the otto led me to look back at the rec and post here. I wouldnt accuse somebody if i had nothing to report

Than there are better ways of going about it. Publicly calling out someone out for "possibly cheating" is not a good thing to do. These kind of threads shouldn't happen unless there's far more "evidence" than presented here.

[randerzbobanderz]

Lucky one time, two times sure, but in this REC he was able to capitalize on every opportunity he hadn't even scouted. That's a little hard for me to buy.

[harcha]

record your games bois. i find it interesting that noone remembers him from EP apart from me, must mean he didn't play suspiciously then eh?

[flontier]

See this is just bullshit. You can find stuff like this in literally every game where decent people play. Its like watching a csgo demo and saying someone is using aimlock or walls when they trace over someone on the other side of the map or kill someone through smoke. Theres literally nothing here that would make me confident someone was cheating, unlike the kiaser situation. Oh he raided me or is active with his units, MUST BE MAPHACKING. Oh he went to a free gold treasure thats completely useless, MUST BE MAPHACKING. Active on the map? MUST BE MAPHACKING. Post some of your recs here and I can find exactly the same kind of things.

Yea sure it happens in every game ! Everybody know how to dodge opponents units in the fog of war, its common knowledge .

[gibson]

See this is just bullshit. You can find stuff like this in literally every game where decent people play. Its like watching a csgo demo and saying someone is using aimlock or walls when they trace over someone on the other side of the map or kill someone through smoke. Theres literally nothing here that would make me confident someone was cheating, unlike the kiaser situation. Oh he raided me or is active with his units, MUST BE MAPHACKING. Oh he went to a free gold treasure thats completely useless, MUST BE MAPHACKING. Active on the map? MUST BE MAPHACKING. Post some of your recs here and I can find exactly the same kind of things.

Yea sure it happens in every game ! Everybody know how to dodge opponents units in the fog of war, its common knowledge .

Yea you literally see that all the time in games just cause of randomness, even more so with players who are active with their units. Stop being retarded.

[yurashic]

The guy who cheated against Kaiser was Chinese, a lot of the RE cheaters were Chinese, this guy is also Chinese, so there is another hint.

[n0el]

thats racist

[Rohbrot]

thats racist

It's a fact, nothing racist.

[harcha]

thats racist

It's a fact, nothing racist.

implying that that's a hint is racist

[[Armag] diarouga]

Can the PC team not create another drama for nothing ?

[uberjz]

Mods should close this topic immediately. I don't see anything productive arising from this thread, ever.

[chronique]

There probably more china player than any other country both all together lol, using that kind of arg is absurde.

[gibson]

Regardless, the fact that he's chinese isnt relevant and its not "another hint" that its a cheater. Dumb fucking take

[Rohbrot]

There probably more china player than any other country both all together lol, using that kind of arg is absurde.

There aren't many chinese player's in Aoe3, i used to see more german's/french people in RE than chinese one's tbh. In EP we had maybe 4-6 chinese players.

[Rohbrot]

Regardless, the fact that he's chinese isnt relevant and its not "another hint" that its a cheater. Dumb fucking take

I ain't say that he is a cheater but the fact still stands that chinese player's or atleast player's with chinese character's are the cheater's we do see accused here and there.

[chris1089]

Remember correlation doesn't mean causation? @BrookG 's signature comes to mind.
Something about circumstantial evidence. I saw @Aussie_Drongo and others say in response to @Kaiserklein 's video that a lot of the little things don't prove someone is cheating. Obviously in Kaiserklein's case their is the blatant minutemen call that is proof he is cheating. I wanted to raise the point though, that the other little things, and could be the case here, that it is very much worth logging suspicious behaviours. Whilst none of them on their own proves cheating, I think the point needs to be made that a pattern could emerge by observing repeated smaller suspicious behaviours, whether ma y over one game or over a number of games.

[gibson]

Well kaisers video isnt even evidence of cheating. Its all circumstantial, but there's just so much of it that we can be pretty sure hes cheating.

[JKProwler]

Could be cheating or could just be a player with good game sense. No hard evidence here.

There are moments in the game where he makes moves that he shouldn't have if he had map hack

[I_HaRRiiSoN_I]

conversely the spahi raid he changed this waypoint marker very specifically and slightly which mapped where my running vils were of which he had no visual knowledge. Raiding them could be just goood game sense but how do you micro something that you dont actually know is there.
It didnt help that he actually wasnt that good of a player aswell next time i will put 5 vills on a random coin mine and sit and wait

[blackout]

Pointless thread imo. Need to wait for other people to play him and posts recs if its that suspicious really. If he was a colonel on ep i guess there is a good chance of other people from here facing him.
Oh and that chinese argument definatly is racist dont even get started on that

[Kaiserklein]

Falcs on their own could just be him being bad. And checking behind the opponent's base is a classic trick, there are often vils there because it feels safe behind your base, but then they get blocked and can't reach your tc

I'm sure if you do a video analysis of that people would say obvious maphack like the last you did... The biggest difference is he doesnt send minutemen to nuke a fb cause no fb in this game. But his units movements are as much suspect as the last one. Also you cant see well on my poor screens but his clicks are more evidence, he doesnt just go behind the base in the classic way.
He is also prob a lot lower than the last when you see his RE POV in the china "twitch" video posted above, very low apm so he make more mistake by forgettings units etc... but a noob with a maphack is always a noob so that doesnt exonerate.

But whatever, as harcha said people should save their recorded game when they play him so we'll see him make more obvious mistake i hope.

Like I said I'd have to check the recorded game for the way points myself if I wanted to be sure. Just saying that the video didn't convince me that he's maphacking at all. Finding shit like a small coin treasure in a corner, or vils on wood behind your base, or afk huss finding a culv, isn't evidence in my book.

I'm not saying the guy doesn't maphack. I'm saying we don't know whether he does. I'll be convinced if an actual analysis of his moves (not a couple screenshots or a mute video without blatant evidence) shows that he does cheat.

[Kaiserklein]

Remember correlation doesn't mean causation? @BrookG 's signature comes to mind.
Something about circumstantial evidence. I saw @Aussie_Drongo and others say in response to @Kaiserklein 's video that a lot of the little things don't prove someone is cheating. Obviously in Kaiserklein's case their is the blatant minutemen call that is proof he is cheating. I wanted to raise the point though, that the other little things, and could be the case here, that it is very much worth logging suspicious behaviours. Whilst none of them on their own proves cheating, I think the point needs to be made that a pattern could emerge by observing repeated smaller suspicious behaviours, whether ma y over one game or over a number of games.

Did some people really say the "little things" in my video don't prove the guy was cheating?
I legit was convinced he maphacks after watching the rec in age 1 lol

[Hazza54321]

Well kaisers video isnt even evidence of cheating. Its all circumstantial, but there's just so much of it that we can be pretty sure hes cheating.

i mean the mm and rally points on the falc were clear signs the rest of it was just a bonus. This guy harrison played also had the specific rally points at weird locations at the perfect time, for instance the wood line, a player with good gamesense would go and try and block the mine with spahi to prevent any gathering and then go onto the backlines if confident. here he goes straight to the wood line the rally point directly on the vills.

Similarly when retreating south where he immediately finds a stable being built when normally youd just retreat in the direction of your tower