Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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Last week @TranceGate accused ChefSudiste, member of the french [COSA] Clan, of cheating via MapHack.

We'd like to adress those allegations and while doing so, remain objective & neutral as possible.

XiLED always had good relationships with COSA. We played a ton of ranked Team-Games with/against them & only have positive things to say. They were welcoming and friendly at all times.

XiLED Leadership was shocked by that accusation and therefore investigated the case. We confronted COSA Officials immediatly when news broke out.

This is the response we recieved from Momobreizh/Chefdruidiste [Leaders of COSA]

The accused player "ChefSudiste" and me(ChefDruidiste) are very close friends and we screenshare on discord almost everytime so people in the channel can watch us play.
Obviously you could argue that you can turn off hacks while streaming, but as you can see in the provided screenshot that I am also in that specific game and can assure you he was not cheating and all of the people watching on discord would have noticed if that would've been the case. We distance ourselves from cheaters and will never tolerate cheating!!

The so called "proof" that has been provided by @TranceGate , is not acceptable to us and can't be considered as proof.
It was mentioned that the Ping was suspicious. It's important to understand that those recorded demo's are very glitchy & bugged.
for example: The Enemy player can ping the map, but in that recording it will be visible by all teams - even the team that's not supposed to see it.

This can easily be misinterpreted and unfortunatly is one of the many things that need to be fixed in AoE3 & we urge the developers to improve those mechanics so accusations like this never happen again.

Best Regards,
COSA Leadership

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Everytime we joined each others discord servers and watched their games on screenshare-stream, we never saw anything suspicious.
XiLED adressed this issue as an act of community service and remains neutral until clear evidence has been provided.

Original Thread by @TranceGate : viewtopic.php?f=982&t=24501
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I demand a third party investigation!
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Re: Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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Hi, since the rec games are really so broken the proof i have provided is not fully functional, i have reviewed the rec on both sides again and the pings are identical for both sides so they are confused and it is not clear which player to play wich team pinged. This excludes that chefsudiste has used maphack but since rec games have such a feature, many players can abuse it at least in teams because then there is no concrete evidence to accuse a person who uses maphack. I apologize for the accusation.
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We also await the third party investigation.
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Re: Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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XiLED wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 04:14
Last week @TranceGate accused ChefSudiste, member of the french [COSA] Clan, of cheating via MapHack.

We'd like to adress those allegations and while doing so, remain objective & neutral as possible.

XiLED always had good relationships with COSA. We played a ton of ranked Team-Games with/against them & only have positive things to say. They were welcoming and friendly at all times.

XiLED Leadership was shocked by that accusation and therefore investigated the case. We confronted COSA Officials immediatly when news broke out.

This is the response we recieved from Momobreizh/Chefdruidiste [Leaders of COSA]

The accused player "ChefSudiste" and me(ChefDruidiste) are very close friends and we screenshare on discord almost everytime so people in the channel can watch us play.
Obviously you could argue that you can turn off hacks while streaming, but as you can see in the provided screenshot that I am also in that specific game and can assure you he was not cheating and all of the people watching on discord would have noticed if that would've been the case. We distance ourselves from cheaters and will never tolerate cheating!!

The so called "proof" that has been provided by @TranceGate , is not acceptable to us and can't be considered as proof.
It was mentioned that the Ping was suspicious. It's important to understand that those recorded demo's are very glitchy & bugged.
for example: The Enemy player can ping the map, but in that recording it will be visible by all teams - even the team that's not supposed to see it.

This can easily be misinterpreted and unfortunatly is one of the many things that need to be fixed in AoE3 & we urge the developers to improve those mechanics so accusations like this never happen again.

Best Regards,
COSA Leadership

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Everytime we joined each others discord servers and watched their games on screenshare-stream, we never saw anything suspicious.
XiLED adressed this issue as an act of community service and remains neutral until clear evidence has been provided.

Original Thread by @TranceGate : viewtopic.php?f=982&t=24501
Thanks you are supporting my purposes of the original post, hope your answer and the reclusions of TranceGate will stop all of these accusations.

And for the Third part investigation, it seems that the most effective way will be to streaming some of our COSA games. Among us, were not many in capacity to stream so I will do it myself, but like this you will be all able to be that third party.
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Re: Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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callentournies wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 05:14
I demand a third party investigation!
We tried to approach the issue as neutral as possible, making us more or less a third party.
Just because we had good relationships in the past doesn't mean we would tolerate cheating or be bias.
We'll be the first to expose cheaters and enforce consequences. We're open to communicate with other "third parties" at all times. Just contact us.
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Re: Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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TranceGate wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 08:09
Hi, since the rec games are really so broken the proof i have provided is not fully functional, i have reviewed the rec on both sides again and the pings are identical for both sides so they are confused and it is not clear which player to play wich team pinged. This excludes that chefsudiste has used maphack but since rec games have such a feature, many players can abuse it at least in teams because then there is no concrete evidence to accuse a person who uses maphack. I apologize for the accusation.
We all get tilted occasionally. Just a week ago i thought somebody used MapHack aswell. I also rewatched the demo with some XiLED members and couldn't make a judgement. It was very suspicious but the glitchy / bugged demo made it impossible to say he was 100% Cheating. I wish developers would focus core problems like this more instead of putting out random DLC's to make money.
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callentournies wrote:
06 Jul 2022, 05:14
I demand a third party investigation!
I've determined no mhing occurred. I have the rec. Pings are the "color" of the person being actively spectated in the rec. You can restart it, switch perspectives, and ping colors will change, for the same pings.

Sudiste moves his hero organically in the fog of war. If full map was visible on Yukon, you could expect a lot of flaring and abusing of team picking the best treasures.

It makes much more sense that blue pinged the treasure at 1:15 for his yellow mate to help him out, who is in the vicinity -- rather than enemy pinging an 80 xp treasure they have no hope or desire of stealing.

Likewise, at 3:45, it makes sense that green pinged his own forward villager to signal forward base. Note, prior to this, Sudiste organically scouts 3 otto vills moving forward on the map. His envoy was following a mid-map shift-click scouting pattern since 1:50, there was no path alteration.
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Re: Response to: ChefSudiste MapHack

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As you can see on the discord screenshots, They're regularly streaming and so are the XiLED Members.
We watch each other a lot and can state that nothing suspicious has been seen, by at least 20 people, Including the XiLED Leader Yaki.
This is as objective as we can be at the moment.
We're aware that most Leaders would have not involved in a severe accusation like that just to keep their own clan reputation clean by not being mentioned with cheaters in any way shape or form.

XiLED believes it's important to engage to clear the air and prevent splitting up the community, rather make connections and unite to make this game great again.
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You need to post a link to this discord, so a third party can investigate :)
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Try to actually refute the accusations rather than saying your friends don't cheat because they're your friends and btw we're neutral toward our friends.
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This is what i tried to prevent. I explicitly said " Just because we had good relationships in the past doesn't mean we would tolerate cheating or be bias." I dont understand how you come to a conclusion like that. But people warned us about this forum :D

We stated FACTS only so far.
1. Recorded Demo's are bugged and can't be considered as proof. Developers need to fix this.
2. We have acces to their discord and never seen anything suspicious. Has literally nothing to do they are our friends. We just gave our perspective on the matter. Not saying they're cheating or not. Just our perspective.
3. We are a neutral party that welcomes any evidence and believe its important to do community service. We'd take actions AGAINST COSA if its proven that they cheated and hide it. Regardless if they friends or not.
4. XiLED will activly pursue any cheaters and expose them publicly & EXCLUDE them from all XiLED events in the future.
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I demand @I_HaRRiiSoN_I aß third Party!
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Bo7 showmatch? Losing team are accused and proven to be the map hackers?? I will cast it
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jokes aside, we're in the talks already with the COSA clan to organize a showmatch. We'll contact ppl like Harrison to cast etc within the next weeks.
Like we said, it's important that we as a community take initiative. We'll make announcements on this forum in around 3-4 weeks
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I'll also vouch for having seen a particular bug that could have caused this: "Flares" will often show as the incorrect player in recorded games. In my own experience, I've flared my own 5 falcs popping from an artillery foundry. It showed as one of my opponents flaring in the recorded game, but you can tell from their troop movements that they didn't actually know about the cannons.
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They don't map hack, they just always happen to intercept my raids in ranked game in perfect direct lines through fog of war...
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