How to stop native rush with russians?

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How to stop native rush with russians?

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I'm a main Russia player and I can't even have an opportunity against any type of native-american civ.

I mean, they always rush me with more and better units (Russia infantry have -20% attack and healt), especially the iroquois/haudenosaunee, I even try to make 3 blockhouses but their war chief can destroy them alone, they have cheap infantry, better infantry, and on top of that the war chief gives them combat bonus.

How can I counter a rush from a native-american civ? (specially if they are iroquois/haudenosaunee).

And, yes, I tried sending the 5 cossacks and raiding his villagers but a good player just put a few of them in TC to shoot or send 5 units to counter my cossacks while the rest or his army destroy my TC IN SECONDS.

All they have to do is attack and the war chief gives them a bonus and destroy buildings alone.
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Re: How to stop native rush with russians?

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Not sure about other native civs, but vs Haud, I have a few thoughts:

Take a look at this thread, where I asked the opposite question: viewtopic.php?f=983&t=24179&hilit=russia+haud

the answers there suggest that some people feel the matchup of haud vs Russia is fairly Russia favored. Haud struggles because Russia can contain them, deny them hunts, and out-eco and out-mass them in the colonial age, or age up for falconets. Tomahawks are not great anti-cav and Haud also has a hard time massing Kanya, so going strelet+cossack is pretty strong vs them. I guess a few others felt it was Haud favored, but their tips can help suggest what to do to counter.

I suspect your problem is a problem of timing and maybe build order. Are you aging on time with 14/20 pop? Are you sending 5 cossacks and queueing 10 strel or 5 musk around 5 minutes 30, or earlier? Is your blockhouse up before you hit age 2? What build is the Haud player using?

To counter Haud, take note of what they are doing. If they fast age, then build your blockhouse in base and mass and defend, and then push out and crush their base when you win a fight. If they slow age (more likely), then blockhouse mid-map and contain them.
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Iro shits on russia
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Kaiserklein wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 10:19
Iro shits on russia
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Kaiserklein wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 10:19
Iro shits on russia
I get the feeling that this becomes more and more true the more you are a micro god. Iro has to maximize the value of their small number of strong units to semi ff and defend, whereas Russia can win by outmassing and out-ecoing . So maybe at your level iro shits on Russia but at most other levels it’s much more even or somewhat Russia favored
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At other levels you have to start thinking like a pro.
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the quality of aoe3-related discussion on this forum has really gone down the shitter
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Honestly, the discussion on esoc seems dead to me.
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Re: How to stop native rush with russians?

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Squamiger wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 16:27
the quality of aoe3-related discussion on this forum has really gone down the shitter
The game is in a simply ridiculous state atm. It got totally destroyed by the modern devs.
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richard wrote:
04 Oct 2022, 16:21
Squamiger wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 16:27
the quality of aoe3-related discussion on this forum has really gone down the shitter
The game is in a simply ridiculous state atm. It got totally destroyed by the modern devs.
i don't really agree, it feels the most balanced its been since the start of DE. nothing really stands out as super broken or uncounterable. Everything that was super broken (early swedes, inca fort laming, spain logistician, african civs, USA) has been nerfed. Italy and Malta seem like good civs but not unbeatable. There's just a lot of new stuff to learn and process but that's how it was with TWC and TAD too.

Maybe it's just that discord has replaced forums for community discussion?
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Squamiger wrote:
04 Oct 2022, 18:15
richard wrote:
04 Oct 2022, 16:21
Squamiger wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 16:27
the quality of aoe3-related discussion on this forum has really gone down the shitter
The game is in a simply ridiculous state atm. It got totally destroyed by the modern devs.
i don't really agree, it feels the most balanced its been since the start of DE. nothing really stands out as super broken or uncounterable. Everything that was super broken (early swedes, inca fort laming, spain logistician, african civs, USA) has been nerfed. Italy and Malta seem like good civs but not unbeatable. There's just a lot of new stuff to learn and process but that's how it was with TWC and TAD too.

Maybe it's just that discord has replaced forums for community discussion?
The fact you have no clue about what's op or not doesnt mean the game is in a good state tbh...
Event tho i agree , most of discussion now happen on discord.
I hope Zoi and his team of faithful minions can stop demonizing people
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Aizamk wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 10:41
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Squamiger wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 13:31
I get the feeling that this becomes more and more true the more you are a micro god. Iro has to maximize the value of their small number of strong units to semi ff and defend, whereas Russia can win by outmassing and out-ecoing . So maybe at your level iro shits on Russia but at most other levels it’s much more even or somewhat Russia favored
Nah it's much harder to play as russia regardless, it's not a matter of micro. It's super easy to defend the rush as iro and age, and then russia is just dead. Btw going forward bh vs iro is a big risk already to begin with.
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Re: How to stop native rush with russians?

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Defending the rush is easy for sure, and fbing with russia is also asking for a counter timing. However if the Russia player doesn't make useless ruskets and micro his strel/coss well + doesn't overextend I think it's not trivial for Iro to reach fortress in good shape.
Defensive Russia is also not trivial to deal with for Iro.
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Kaiser and G you guys had this same convo in my thread, I think a show match is in order
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