Religion
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I am a bit torn, sometimes i think that life is too short to be bothered with things that can't strictly influence it, sometimes i see some christian friends and the impact that Christianity has on them and i am really amazed, religion can give really powerful feelings. I see myself as a christian but i can't really think of God as an entity, i don't really buy the idea of an old man with a long beard constantly watching over us, i rather see God as a set of values that christian people follow, but that is not a very orthodox view...
I gotta say that what umeu wrote was quite eye-opening: "live your life as if the existence of god didn't matter", but i guess this makes me even less of a christian, so, yet again, many doubts come to my mind.
I gotta say that what umeu wrote was quite eye-opening: "live your life as if the existence of god didn't matter", but i guess this makes me even less of a christian, so, yet again, many doubts come to my mind.
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- dietschlander
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live your life as if the existence of God is there for you as your heavenly father
Theres going to be a dam, the great dam and we'll let the beavers pay for it - Edeholland 2016
Anyway, nuancing isn't your forte, so I'll agree with you like I would with a 8 year old: violence is bad, don't do hard drugs and stay in school Benj98
Anyway, nuancing isn't your forte, so I'll agree with you like I would with a 8 year old: violence is bad, don't do hard drugs and stay in school Benj98
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gamevideo113 wrote:I gotta say that what umeu wrote was quite eye-opening: "live your life as if the existence of god didn't matter", but i guess this makes me even less of a christian, so, yet again, many doubts come to my mind.
that's not exactly what I said
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Religion is, to me, the belief there is meaning to suffering.
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Callen with the dark shit again
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I guess I didn't mean it like that
I don't want to be the weird kid that only says these things >.>
I don't want to be the weird kid that only says these things >.>
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I actually misread it. Confirmation bias, perhaps. That's not a dark view necessarily
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Hence the "Unless it was always there". There certainly was no time in this universe before the big bang, but it seems almost silly to think that this is the only universe. It reminds me of people thinking earth was the only planet before we knew there were more.AOEisLOVE_AOEisLIFE wrote:keep in mind that time is a very relative "human" concept (theory of relativity) for THIS universe, which works different on different scales, if there was no time "before" the big bang, then there also never was a beginning and nothing must have come out of anything, shit is just there..Goodspeed wrote:But still, it has to end somewhere; something must've come out of nothing at some point. Unless it was "always" there.
I think there probably was time and space before it, but outside of our scope of reality. What is time anyway, other than a measurement of the speed at which matter changes? If matter did not change, there wouldn't be time. The big bang was when matter started changing in this universe, therefore the start of time. But outside of our universe, there could be a vast amount more changing matter.(hard to imagine as a human though, just look at light, for light itself time doesnt pass at all in his own relative system since it travels at lightspeed, so there basically is no time for light, or at least you can say that time is not a factor for light.. my english is too bad to talk about this shit rlly, but you get the point, wherever the big bang came from, it might be possible that time just isnt a thing, and so there is no end and no beginning..technically there wasnt even a "before" before the big bang, because there was no time or space before it)
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it's ironic how, when looking at it in an abstract way, the christian story of creation and the scientific story of creation are basically the same story told from 2 different perspectives, one from inside the universe, one from outside the universe. first there was nothing, then there was something.
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Krauss' theory is not that new and it all relies on quantum fluctuations that happen even in a perfect vacuum.
So theoretically, yeah, it is possible the universe was simply born out of nothing. Because "nothing" was too unstable to not-exist.
So theoretically, yeah, it is possible the universe was simply born out of nothing. Because "nothing" was too unstable to not-exist.
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umeu wrote:gamevideo113 wrote:I gotta say that what umeu wrote was quite eye-opening: "live your life as if the existence of god didn't matter", but i guess this makes me even less of a christian, so, yet again, many doubts come to my mind.
that's not exactly what I said
I'm sorryyy my memory is too bad and i was too lazy to go back to the first page to quote you
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ovi12 wrote:gibson wrote:Well its a little more complicated then that. If you demand hard evidence for belief you'll end up not believing anything.ovi12 wrote:I am not religious simply because nobody has shown me evidence of a god existing. If someone has some, please do share. Otherwise, you are being irrational by being religious.
I'm not sure what you mean. I believe plenty of things and most of them are based on evidence.
Do you just want to see the god or you want to see the god's existence evidence?
For your example As the human beings we can't see the X-ray Alpha-ray, Radio signals and some other Rays..
So you will deny them only because you can't see it? we all know those ray's exist,
Not based on we can see them, but we know, because of their effect..
Or think it like all human made stuffs, all of them have a hole, mistake, problems..
So if you still just want to see the evidence of the god you could just go to outside and look at the sky, can you see a hole or a bug there? Or does the atmosphere has holes? Or do the regions are bugged?
Those are absolutely the part of the big universe.
"If you look at the art you will see the artist"
Cheers.
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Wow guys i think beeeze just proved the existence of god
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Goodspeed wrote:What is time anyway, other than a measurement of the speed at which matter changes? If matter did not change, there wouldn't be time. The big bang was when matter started changing in this universe, therefore the start of time. But outside of our universe, there could be a vast amount more changing matter.
how can there be matter outside our universe without space? dont forget that time and space are connected to each other, if there is matter, it has to be in space, and so there is time. its been some time since i read a book about the big bang, and that was a cpl of years old, and the meta might have changed, and a lot is very hypothetical anyway :) (but yeah, i agree, the idea that the universe came out of nothing is stupid).
to say that time is a measurement of speed at which matter changes is only a legit statement on our scales, basically time is a very relative thing, on bigger and on a universal scale it becomes one with space and below the plank length it does the weirdest things, i recommend to read some books by Richard Feynman (an american physicist) who has a phenomenal way of explaining complex stuff in only a few words, but my english is too bad to talk about this stuff..
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How can I mute this thread so I dont see it in active threads? Getting a headache.
If you see any mistakes in my grammar/vocabulary or whatever, please correct me. I really appreciate it
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@deleted_user5 gives one of the most solid arguments for the existence of a reasonable creator, everything just seems to perfect to be random.
you cant see the creator, but indeed his creation.
same with all the laws in nature, they work perfectly in harmony with each other, but you cant see or feel or touch them, you only can see them in their effects on our world, you cant "see" the law of gravity, but still you can see its consequences and so, as a reasonable being who wants to stay alive you have to believe in them, and there is nobody out there doubting the existence of them..
you cant see the creator, but indeed his creation.
same with all the laws in nature, they work perfectly in harmony with each other, but you cant see or feel or touch them, you only can see them in their effects on our world, you cant "see" the law of gravity, but still you can see its consequences and so, as a reasonable being who wants to stay alive you have to believe in them, and there is nobody out there doubting the existence of them..
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Mameluke wrote:How can I mute this thread so I dont see it in active threads? Getting a headache.
Just don't get a headache
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There is literally no reason to believe in a invisible and absent God anyway.
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hot beard
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I wanna say something so badly but I know it will just cause more headache.
If you see any mistakes in my grammar/vocabulary or whatever, please correct me. I really appreciate it
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