Donald Trump and Kynesie

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1BLTKMOAYU

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Very True.

But also keep in mind that Bernie is just the left-wings Ron Paul. He got stuck on one issue 50 years ago and has covered his eyes and ears since then, using his pulpit and cult following to push simple/basic ideas to tackle complex problems. Ron Paul thinks that if the Fed and IRS were gone tomorrow, all injustice and malaise in the country would be taken care of by market forces. Bernie thinks that if you raise taxes on the rich tomorrow, the history of redlining, racism, sexism, aggressive foreign policy, broken immigration, climate change denial will cease.

Bernie was flamed by idiots, but that doesnt mean he isnt an idiot himself. Frankly, it is not his ancient white maleness that hurts him (it actually helps him). Joe Biden fits a similar demographic mold but would easily be a better candidate because he wouldnt say the same thing to the same people for 50 years and call himself a progressive. Btw, look at Bernies rally pictures, they look exactly like Trumps and Ron Pauls crowds for a reason. He has simple/myopic ideas and passes them on as revolutionary. That just doesnt work. Both politically and in the real policy arena, in my opinion.

He actually doesnt. In fact, he keeps underlining how common his ideas are in other developed countries where health care and education are already free. Socialism is nothing new and he knows it. For the US though, which is miles behind when it comes to economic reform and controlled by the rich, his ideas actually are revolutionary but he isnt the one calling them that.

He answers questions instead of evading them, he has a very on-the-right-side voting record in his career so far, and hes underlining important issues that nobody else seems to care about. But above all, he means to take the money out of politics and this, I personally believe and have believed for a while, is the only way politics can work as intended. Do you realise how messed up it is, and how detrimental to the political process, that legislation can literally be bought by throwing money at it?

Listening to him talk it became abundantly clear to me in a very short time that hes an intelligent man who got to where he is by sheer competence instead of playing the game, truly the contrast with some of the republican candidates that Ive heard speak is fascinatingly large. Hes also good at debates from what Ive seen and his message is already captivating much larger amounts of people than anyone expected. I think we could be in for a real surprise, he has an actual shot I think. Maybe Im overestimating people though.

Oh Mart. So omnipotent and yet so naive...

[Goodspeed]

I know it's a long shot but I think he has a shot. It's all about becoming a big enough thing that the media can no longer ignore him. A challenge, for sure.

[Mr. Pecksniff]

Five years from now we'll all be living under the dominion of the Trump Empire.

[Goodspeed]

He''d be a lame duck President. No chance Congress would ever let him do anything.

Yeah it takes generations of presidents to actually fix the problems in American politics. But he can make a start at least.

[Mr. Pecksniff]

He''d be a lame duck President. No chance Congress would ever let him do anything. But I read a very funny article describing how he''d handle Iran''s nuclear program. It''s an excellent parody of how he talks and tweets. Unfortunately I can''t find it now.

Are you implying that he won''t abolish Congress the minute he ascends to the presidency?

[Mr. Pecksniff]

That is technically illegal, and he would be impeached and then removed from office if he tries to do it, but since Obama has so far managed to break the law on countless occasions without any real resistance who knows what Trump may be able to do.

Are you implying that he won''t abolish the law when he ascends to the presidency?

[Jam]

but what if he abolishes the police?

[Mr. Pecksniff]

It would be nice to finally see a president get beat up by the police as they drag him out of the White House for violating the Constitution.

Are you implying he won''t abolish the police, the White House, and the Constitution?

You underestimate the Trump utopia.

[Mr. Pecksniff]

How do you think things happen in government exactly? If he were to sign an executive order abolishing Congress it would be just a piece of paper and not a valid law. Is he going to remove every cop and congressman on his own or something? Anyway I think it''d be nice to see a President just take a wrecking ball to the federal government. The more busy they are fighting each other the less harm they''ll be able to do to the world.

Laws are based on the will of the people. The inevitable landslide victory of Donald Trump in the next election will grant him an irresistible democratic mandate to implement sweeping legislative reforms. He will rule the universe with an iron fist and will dispense with such petty obstructions as the Supreme Court and Congress, both of which only stand in the way of assured US dominance.

[Garja]

lol who's that moron and why they gave him a microphone

[Mr. Pecksniff]

Maybe in Germany or the Ukraine, but in America the South would rise again to stop such a thing from happening.

Are you stupid? The nation of Dixie would be leading the charge against congress as it always has. If he ever obtains his mandate for global domination, it will be on the basis of support offered by the gallant white riders of the south.

[Jam]

Maybe in Germany or the Ukraine, but in America the South would rise again to stop such a thing from happening.

What makes you so sure the south will win this time around?

[Mr. Pecksniff]

Win what? Making sure the Constitution doesn''t get shredded? Any potential dictator certainly wouldn''t have enough of an advantage in morale and economic and military power to defeat the South and the rest of the country. Nobody is gonna turn off American Idol to help some billionaire in D.C. become a dictator.

Again, you underestimate the Trump utopia.

[bigjesse1922]

Trump is not even a serious candidate. He is a walking advert for the Democrat party and with the current political demographic that exists in America, he literally has no viable chance to win.

He is a good tool for the GOP, however. He is helping excite the base and drum up all the outrage that exists right now on the right in American politics. All of this gay marriage, legal pot, Bruce/Kait Jenner, etc., has got a lot of people foaming at the mouth and here we have this brash, rich, white man who loves firing people willing to call everyone out and say all the things no serious candidate can say.

[bigjesse1922]

Well, I mentioned his race only in passing, however I do think there is clear evidence that race does factor into politics, be it on the right or the left. As far as what you say, I don't care that much honestly, certainly not enough to have a fit.

The fact that you mention his polling position at this stage in the race however, makes me wonder if you're even a serious person to debate the matter at hand with at all. By your standard, Michele Bachmann should have been taken seriously, because she too was leading in the polls at one point in time very early on in the 2012 race. In fact, she was beating Mitt Romney and had almost an identical polling position to "the Donald," currently.

Back when she was saying things like, "I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake' we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending." Just as he is saying crazy things now that preclude the possibility of his success in a general election.

Whether you see it or not, the GOP absolutely tries to harness, in a venomous manner, the various issues that make those on the right grind their teeth. To be clear, I am not defending the Democrat party and they are just as bad/guilty, but the discussion was about the Donald's viability. That's what I was commenting on.

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It seems like trump just says what the unnuanced uninformed (right conservative) person wants to hear. Hes all about being negative about everything, which suits the average human way of thinking.

Here in the Netherlands everyone is always complaining. Its a severe depression, the government will have to cut spending, and everyone knows it. But whenever they cut on spending in a way that affects you, all these people here get sandy vaginas and start whining about it. And if they dont, they will wine that we are spending too much.

Because of that, Geert Wilders (a conservative, right wing muslim hating extremist) is doing really well in the elections (getting about 20% of the votes, which is a lot in the Dutch system).

I see a lot of similarities between him and Trump. The concerning matter is that the American political system actually gives him a serious chance of winning the elections compared to the Dutch one. I really think he has a serious chance at winning, which would be a disaster for the USA.

[bigjesse1922]

I am basing that on the recent history of the GOP during the early stages of the nomination process. Consider this: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... nald-trump

Look at the electorate in 2012: http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/ ... oted-2012/

This has just gotten worse for the GOP, because the % of women, latinos, and African-Americans has just increased compared to the demographics that they win.

Now consider that Trump has completely isolated latinos with his comments. COMPLETELY, I mean he is throwing news reporters from Univision out of his press conferences, telling them he is going to deport 11 million people and make Mexico pay billions of dollars for a wall.

These comments have also proven to disgust women, except those on the far right. African-Americans have very little reason to en masse switch to the GOP. So, while I don't have a crystal ball, I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine how he could even win the GOP nomination, let alone the general election.

Yes, they need to only win a handful of swing states assuming they hold their traditional ones, however, back to demographics. I believe 100% if Trump won the GOP nomination, he would lose Texas and there goes your whole argument, no swing state or collection thereof would save him. Even if I am wrong about Texas, kiss Florida good bye with his comments already. There is no electoral path to victory for Donald Trump unless there is a quick, unexpected, unpredictable, monumental swing in the American political dynamic as a whole.

[bigjesse1922]

You're right Jerom. Also, you have Bernie pulling Clinton to the left, because he is a socialist. This is a perfect time for someone to come along who is well known with a populist, tough-sounding message who can pull the debate to the right. It's just classic politics.

And Trump has nothing to lose, because he is his brand, and there is no bad publicity these days unless you're Jared from Subway. This just builds his brand, his fortune, and most importantly, his ego, even bigger.

[Mr. Pecksniff]

You are the one who claimed he has no chance to win 16 months from now. What are you basing that on? Republicans only need to win a handful of swing states to win the election and he is proving somewhat competitive in those states according to the polls. Who cares if California votes 99% against him?

Gotta love first past the post.

[bigjesse1922]

Edit: [strike]5)[/strike] 1) I'm new here, and I would rather spend my time on AOE stuff, and it's pointless for me to debate with you.

[Jam]

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[gibson]

You''re right Jerom. Also, you have Bernie pulling Clinton to the left, because he is a socialist. This is a perfect time for someone to come along who is well known with a populist, tough-sounding message who can pull the debate to the right. It''s just classic politics.

And Trump has nothing to lose, because he is his brand, and there is no bad publicity these days unless you''re Jared from Subway. This just builds his brand, his fortune, and most importantly, his ego, even bigger.

didn''t Jared from subway rape someone?

[aoefan4life]

Youre right Jerom. Also, you have Bernie pulling Clinton to the left, because he is a socialist. This is a perfect time for someone to come along who is well known with a populist, tough-sounding message who can pull the debate to the right. Its just classic politics.

And Trump has nothing to lose, because he is his brand, and there is no bad publicity these days unless youre Jared from Subway. This just builds his brand, his fortune, and most importantly, his ego, even bigger.

didnt Jared from subway rape someone?

He molested children and was caught with child pornography. Hes going away for a long time.

[drac3130]

It seems like trump just says what the unnuanced uninformed (right conservative) person wants to hear. Hes all about being negative about everything, which suits the average human way of thinking.

Here in the Netherlands everyone is always complaining. Its a severe depression, the government will have to cut spending, and everyone knows it. But whenever they cut on spending in a way that affects you, all these people here get sandy vaginas and start whining about it. And if they dont, they will wine that we are spending too much.

Because of that, Geert Wilders (a conservative, right wing muslim hating extremist) is doing really well in the elections (getting about 20% of the votes, which is a lot in the Dutch system).

I see a lot of similarities between him and Trump. The concerning matter is that the American political system actually gives him a serious chance of winning the elections compared to the Dutch one. I really think he has a serious chance at winning, which would be a disaster for the USA.

This. Trump is as close to a facist that there is on the political stage right now. Illegal immigration in the US is on the downward decent, illegals break rules at a lower rate (discounting them crossing the border illegally) than do natural born and 2nd generation+ Americans, they don''t "take jobs" primarily because they are poor, uneducated, and don''t speak English (the entire jobs arguement is a simple fallacy). Illegal immigration was a major issue pre-2008 when hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants would migrate per year. Now it has become a talking point to rile up the uneducated right. Reformation is needed, not a pogrom.

America has been dealing with immigration issues for the past 15+ years, and Donald Trump comes along and says "Change the Constitution and deport them all"...as if this is somehow a "bold and genius" plan that all the "stupid politicans" are "too afraid" to talk about. Newsflash, no one brought up these solutions because they are not solutions, they are stupid ideas that don''t solve the problem and aren''t even feasible. It''s like a certain central European a-hole in the 1930s that blamed all of the problems on a select group of people even though most of his country''s problems were caused by people like himself, who thought like himself.

The Donald Trump thing isn''t even funny anymore. 25% of the Republicans (so nearly 12.5% of the total voters) are supporting him. His views are not even right wing, they are borderline fascist. He relies on supreme nationalism to gain support, his supporters chant "white power" at his rallies (and his supporters are almost entirely white), he supports forcibley removing over 11 million people from the country, he supports changing the American Constitution (which doesn''t change too much) to deal with a specific minority group, he blames any attack on anything racist/sexist/classist he says on the "PC Culture".

Donald Trump has pushed the median Republican voter to the right, and that is dangerous for the country.

On the other hand, no one would elect Trump in the general election...so Democrats may be rejoicing...especially if he is an operative planted by the Democrats